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Cat West@Jmb158 True. It’s much, much faster to go all the way to the Right when you vote 3rd party.
C.Suthorn 
In the upcomeing EU election i am going to vote for the "Klimaliste": not "the lesser evil", but "the better alternative". But the voting rules guarantee, that my vote will actually count, and klimaliste is likely to get a seat and influence in the EU parliament. That would not be the case in an effective two party system - like in US, UK and many more countries.
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@Jmb158 C'est clairement la France
Gabriel Pettier@Jmb158 soo… just let the far right be elected by not voting for the available center option, right? surely that will help.
Argue, demonstrate, do whatever you can to make good options available, but if your favorite option is not available, letting the worse guy win because the alternative is not good enough is suicidal.
Parigot-Manchot φ@tshirtman @Jmb158 In France many people voted for the alternative to far right. Called itself the center. And now it is nearly on the far right and the differences are very slim.
@parigotmanchot @Jmb158 I know, I'm french, I still think that was the right call, le Pen would have absolutely been worse, and we wouldn't have had some for if rebellion and big change over it, most people would just have accepted the result, let it slide and wait for the next election. And think about what would have happened had le Pen been the head of the European presidency in February 2022. Macron didn't do a lot of things right, but he handled that quite well, better than the left would.
@tshirtman @Jmb158 There are two differences between Macron and LePen.
It's how gender minorities AND racial minorities are treated.
He finally treated racial minorities bad like would have donne LePen (Immigration Law).
If he does the same thing with gender minorities... there will be no difference.
That's short.
You can check differences between Macron and Meloni (Italia) : you won't find many.
It's how gender minorities AND racial minorities are treated.
He finally treated racial minorities bad like would have donne LePen (Immigration Law).
If he does the same thing with gender minorities... there will be no difference.
That's short.
You can check differences between Macron and Meloni (Italia) : you won't find many.
@parigotmanchot @Jmb158 even if it was the only difference (I think you underestimate how economically liberal / "business friendly" her gov would be), that would be enough, like having gay rights to marry was a win of having Holland vs Sarkozy, even if the rest was not clearly better*, is a win we have and was worth buying for the "lesser evil" for.
*If we forget about corruption, which reminds me, imagine le Pen in power, haha, it would be a whole new level.
@parigotmanchot @Jmb158 And I've voted very much to the left all my life, but I'm disgusted by it's current state, too many red flags, they need to fix the craziness, and I'm not taking about "wokeism" of stupid things like this, but they are almost as contaminated by Russian propaganda as the far right, main difference is they do it for free...
They won't win, for good reasons, until Mélenchon is gone.
@tshirtman @Jmb158 When he will be gone, the next person will still not be ok and so on...
@parigotmanchot @Jmb158 yeah, I'm not sure if the party can be saved, at this point I almost regret he succeeded in killing the PS, something I very much desired.
Ryek DarkenerIn laymans terms: It is easier to slide than to climb.
rival@Jmb158 In Argentina this model is notoriously true.