L4sBotApple hit with class action lawsuit over iCloud's 5GB limit
db2Even Google gives you three times that.
tsonfeirWell, they make so much money on selling the content of your files, they better give you a lot of space.
they’d* better give you
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Right, because Apple doesn’t collect your data, even though it says they do right in the terms of service you agreed to without reading.
Of course they collect it. But they don’t sell it, because Apple doesn’t like to share and they don’t need that money.
That’s not even how it works. No one sells your data, they sell access to what the data means.
Yes we all know this. They don’t sell that either. They may use that to advance their own technology, but as I said before, Apple doesn’t like to share their toys.
Bless your heart
I’m open to changing my mind with evidence.
But then again, you never know when the service you rely on will be canned by Google.
How many Instant Messengers have we(yes, I’m an Android user) been through now?
I have half a dozen messengers on my phone, none of them from Google.
I stopped using Google apps after they dropped SMS integration with whatever version of their integrated messaging system in about 2010.
I can’t trust their products to continue to work, so I just won’t use them.
LOL I was just talking about that. SMS integration was amazing.
Do you remember when they allowed you to combine SMS and Chat messages into the same app and you would see them merged together in one long chat? Those were the days.
Is it shared with gmail? Or will it be separate? Because my gmail is always 14gb+ full.
Unfortunately it’s shared.
Your Gmail sits on Google’s servers, just like IMAP email accounts. If you go to a brand new device and log in with your gmail account info, it will download from Google.
Microsoft does 5gb too though
Sometimes it’s hard to feel sorry for Apple users given the amount of abuse they go through yet make excuses for (as seen in the comments). Definitely shades of battered woman syndrome
What abuse?
cosmic_slateOn the other hand, the phone just works, upgrades between devices are seamless, and the phone retains value after 4 years.
Plus, the backup restoration is insane. If you stole my phone, I’d be back to where I was within an hour or two (most of which is driving to Apple and waiting on a sales clerk to pull an iPhone from the back).
5GB is a lame amount for a base tier of storage in 2024 but it’s hardly abuse.
Apple makes my life as the family sysadmin significantly easier. If I only had to worry about myself I’d do Android with a privacy focused ROM, but I doubt I could handle my entire family doing that. No way am I putting them on stock Android.
It would be nice if there was some competition but I’m not holding my breath.
Why would you only use a privacy focused ROM and not stock Android, when you use a stock iPhone? Do you think that Apple doesn’t collect just as much data on you as Android does? It’s literally in the Apple terms of service. They’ve just conned you into believing their marketing BS.
Did you not read my post? I use Apple because it makes managing my family fleet easier. If I were by myself I would use a privacy focused ROM.
Ok, so you were saying you prefer a privacy focused OS but settle for iOS because it’s simpler. Fair point.
As far as data collection goes, Google isn’t selling it either. Apple and Google are both collecting your data to assign you to certain demographics. They then sell ad space, and the people that purchase those ads can select the demographic they want it to go to. It’s not ideal, but it’s certainly better than them selling your actual personal data to third parties.
andrewThis sounds like something that hasn’t been true for 5-10 years tbh. I upgrade phones without a single hiccup. And I’ve had to wipe a phone and restore from the cloud backup and it was a matter of minutes to be usable, and was effectively like nothing had happened as soon as my apps and their data finished downloading.
While I don’t use an Android as a primary phone, I keep an Android phone in the drawer for fiddling with. Last year I upgraded from some not-more-than-a-4-year-old Samsung phone last year to a S23.
This is not some out of date assessment. I really am not sure what to say.
I don’t deny it might feel foreign to someone using iOS daily for decades. But that’s not the statement. The statement was that iOS does things like upgrades, backup restoration, and value retention better, which just isn’t true anymore.
I use both, actually, because Android tablets in my experience have been pretty disappointing, so I’m pretty familiar with both ecosystems.
As I said, I’m not sure what to say. Several apps had data that didn’t get restored.
Contacts, photos, settings were mostly fine (though I did not do an exhaustive audit, but I’ll give it credit here).
SanctusI setup both for work. On this front there is hardly any difference. For the average user, it now comes down to OS and device preference. I manage my family’s apple and google accounts and neither wa much harder than the other. Now, for work, preparing an iPhone is much, much more complicated than an Android device. This, once again, only matters if you don’t have automated enrollment from your business carrier into your MDM.
I have had zero issues restoring or moving between android phones. What in the world are you talking about?
ZagorathThere is nothing like it on Android
In the past, I’ve always made a conscious choice not to try to do it that way on Android. Getting a new phone is a good chance to reset, only install apps that I specifically still use, etc.
But in the past, I’ve always replaced a phone because the old one was so old the battery couldn’t get through even one day, so I had plenty of time to manually back up and take care of any specific data I really needed to be sure about. Recently, I had to get a new phone prematurely after I crashed and landed directly on the old one. So I did use the Pixel’s restore functionality as I upgraded from the broken Pixel 6 Pro to the new Pixel 7a. And it was completely seamless. Kept me logged in to apps that I never thought would stay logged in, remembered wifi passwords, everything.
Of course, all of that was only possible because I casted my screen to my TV and plugged in a mouse and keyboard. The screen was too broken to approve the transfer otherwise.
On the other hand, the phone just works,
Same with android
upgrades between devices are seamless,
Same with android
and the phone retains value after 4 years.
Aight you got me there, except for that apple has been proven in court to slow down their older models of phones
Plus, the backup restoration is insane. If you stole my phone, I’d be back to where I was within an hour or two
Same with android
— all of which is driving to Apple and waiting on a sales clerk to pull an iPhone from the back, then going to a store owned by my cell carrier to register the device on their network.
I just go to walmart
No device re-customization at all in the equation.
Same with android
There is nothing like it on Android.
False
5GB is a lame amount for a base tier of storage in 2024 but it’s hardly abuse.
I agree, if people are willing to buy into apple they get what apple serves them.
It’s pretty cool how you can just download any app and install it, also how you can customize the phone to look however you want, run whatever software you want, and all for under $200
Oh wait
Stop it! You make android look good, oh no!
/s
FischActually, there’s something exactly like that on Android too. Just like on iOS, you also don’t have the choice to back that up to where you want tho. You have to use Google Drive if you’re not using a custom ROM like LineageOS.
NOT_RICKDoes android offer free storage for cloud backups?
itwasawednesdayDrive is 15 GB
sigmaklimgrindsetCan’t iPhone users use Drive?
Yes. Although it is limited in what you can back up afaik
So marginally better, thought so
3x as much is “marginally better.” What world do you Apple zealots live in?
15gb ain’t much either, and drive works on iOS to boot. So I guess earth?
The problem stated in the lawsuit is that you can’t use alternative backup providers on iOS, while you (presumably?) can on Android. Apple has no real competition in the device backup space, as they prevent third-parties from providing an equivalent service. (Notice the word equivalent - iTunes backups don’t count.)
I say this as someone who prefers iCloud for its encryption features.
That’s reasonable. I think iOS/iPadOS overall are in dire need of being more open. iPad especially since they’re at the point where they could largely replace laptops but are hamstrung by being so locked down. I still think it’s obnoxious to compare people with different opinions to domestic abuse victims
It’s three times more lmao
Wait, really? I haven’t checked that in a couple years but my Home Assistant backups are broken because out of Google drive space and it shouldn’t use anywhere near that amount - Damn, now I’m going to have to actually check it out
Ahh, a fellow HA user spotted in the wild!
As far as I know, Android also doesn’t give you the option to back up system and app data to something else than Google Drive. LineageOS gives you that option but they implemented that themselves.
Yes. 15gigs for the free tier, only goes up from there.
willyaThat’s a pretty sick analogy. It’s crazy the levels you guys take these Apple feuds to.
I hate this the most about my iPhone. I’m currently on my 3rd Apple device, but you don’t get more storage every time you buy one. So if you have an iPhone and an iPad you’re still stuck with 5gb, and it’s shared with you backups and your cloud-based apps like photo sync, message sync. That 5gb is gone pretty quick.
It’s easy enough to sync photos elsewhere, but not messages. So the $1/mo storage upgrade becomes really attractive.
I hope this opens up their backup service but I doubt it.
Apple gives you free iCloud storage to back up your phone when you get a new device.
support.apple.com/en-us/104980
You can also sync phone to phone when upgrading as part of the setup assistant, without needing iCloud storage.
Get temporary iCloud storage when you buy a new iPhone or iPad - Apple Support
When you buy a new iPhone or iPad, you can get temporary iCloud storage to transfer data from your current device to your new one. Learn if you’re eligible, how to create a temporary backup, and how long your temporary backup is available.
You don’t get “more” storage though. And if you have even just one iPad your storage is gone really quick between the two devices.
Oh it’s good to know. Thanks
It’s shared across the account, the devices don’t matter. That’s what makes it seamless.
My issue is that you don’t get more space for each active device you add to the account.
And the point is that the data you share across them is identical. Additional devices does not create additional data, your usage of them does.
So your live data doesn’t get saved in the device backup?
It does–if you are signed in to all locations and have the sync settings turned on across them all, then all data will be uploaded. But if you have more photos across all devices than your plan will allow for upload, then anything extra will no longer upload unless you pay for additional space.
You don’t need to backup messages to iCloud for it to sync across devices. I have multiple iPhones and iPads on one account and don’t come across this issue because I backup photos to my laptop.