The longer Biden enables Netanyahu, the more his presidency is at risk | Mohamad Bazzi

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The longer Biden enables Netanyahu, the more his presidency is at risk | Mohamad Bazzi - Lemmy.World

Biden, a supposed foreign policy pragmatist, doesn’t seem bothered that the US is one of the few states that continues to wholeheartedly sustain Israel’s war on Gaza. In fact, Biden has staked his political future on his support for Netanyahu and Israel – and Biden is losing. In this year’s presidential election, where he will most likely face Donald Trump once again, Biden has already lost support among young progressives, Black and Arab American voters, who are all rightfully angry at his refusal to restrain Israel. Biden allies are raising the alarm that he could lose Michigan, a swing state with substantial Black, Arab and Muslim American voting blocs, because of his Middle East policies. Congressman Ro Khanna, a Biden supporter and progressive Democrat from California who has tried to mediate between Biden’s campaign and Michigan Democrats, warned his team this week: “We cannot win Michigan with status quo policy.” The Biden administration has consistently underplayed the leverage it has over Israel and Netanyahu. “I think that sometimes people pretend that the United States of America has a magic wand that it can wave to make any situation in the world roll out in exactly the way that we would want it to and that is never the case,” Matthew Miller, the state department spokesperson, said at a press conference on 12 February. Miller’s flippant comment raises an important question: if Biden can’t use billions of dollars in military aid – and the ability to literally cut off Israel’s supply of bombs – to force Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire, what could Biden do with a magic wand?

And if he cuts Israel loose, he loses MORE votes AND donations thanks to the large block of Jewish voters and fundraisers.

He’s taking a calculated risk. Yes, supporting Israel might cost him Michigan, do you want him losing the Jewish vote which then puts states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and California in play?

He has a path to victory without Michigan, he has NONE without California and New York.

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Jewish Population by State 2024

It’s beyond sickening that this genocide has gone on for almost 6 months. I voted Uncommitted and I will not be voting for Biden.
Enjoy the 2nd Trump administration. Especially when he backs Israel even harder than Biden does and starts enacting their worst policies here.
How would rewarding the democrats for their active support of a genocide (with the US military directly) not make them double down on all future genocides?
It absolutely would not teach them anything because the people who fund both sides don’t care. Republicans will absolutely destroy this country with 4 more years in control. Democrats aren’t perfect, but they’re much better than Republicans.

Democrats aren’t perfect, but they’re much better than Republicans.

Funding, sending weapons to, sending our navy to protect a genocide is a far cry from not being ‘perfect’

Republicans suck, stop using them as an excuse for a literal genocide- or as a threat to get people to support a genocide.

Republicans suck, stop using them as an excuse for a literal genocide- or as a threat to get people to support a genocide.

“Suck” is a funny way of spelling “fascist.” Also, you’re arguing that we should punish Democrats by letting Republicans win, who will support both foreign and domestic genocide.

For people who claim to care about genocide, it seems like a really strange hill to die upon.

Do you not understand how being complicit in a genocide is something of a red line for a lot of people? The fact that I have been told to fuck off (in slightly nicer words) by pretty much all of my Democratic reps when I bring up this issue, tells me that they are not people who I trust to not slide into open fascism at home either.

Why would they listen when the next genocide is happening if the only lesson they take from this one is to double down and ignore all criticism?

You will be complicit no matter who you choose. I suggest choosing the one that gets you less genocide.

If you vote third party or stay home you are literally not complicit in Genocide.

This is a trolley problem for which people actively need to pull the Genocide switch. And it doesn’t happen if enough people don’t delude themselves into pulling the switch.

Lefties will not vote for Biden if he keeps committing Genocide. Because they just don’t vote for Genocide ever.

If you vote third party or stay home you are literally not complicit in Genocide.

This is a trolley problem for which people actively need to pull the Genocide switch. And it doesn’t happen if enough people don’t delude themselves into pulling the switch.

Lefties will not vote for Biden if he keeps committing Genocide. Genocide is the red line.

A vote for third party is no better than abstention. That means Trump wins, which means more Gazan genocide. That’s why you are complicit no matter what you choose.

You can wax philosophical about how you remain morally pure, but the LGBTQ people, the immigrants, the people who are forced to be pregnant won’t find much comfort in how you decided this was the time to take a moral stand. I’m sure future generations will find hollow comfort in how you “maintained your morals” but let theofascism take over.

No you don’t understand. You are the one voting for Genocide. And we are not And we will make sure to obstruct Biden in every possible way until the Genocide stops. Only then will we start turning against Trump.

Future generations will ask me what I did during the most preventable Genocide in world history I will say I was not being a whiny bitch that tried to ignore it and put so much pressure on the Democrats that they stopped it.

Only then will we start turning against Trump. If the Democrats can’t even compromise on not committing Genocide then we will not compromise with them.

If Trump wins and sets up theofascism, how do you propose to do that? Gonna build a secret resistance? Take down the empire? You sound like every ideologue I’ve ever met.

Future generations will ask me what I did during the most preventable Genocide in world history I will say I was not being a whiny bitch that tried to ignore it and put so much pressure on the Democrats that they stopped it.

Yeah, Dems will stop it by virtue of losing, and Republicans will just take up the reigns. And you know who they won’t listen to? A bunch of self-important Leftist ideologues. In fact, they’ll do it harder just because it’s what you want. But you’ll be able to lord it over the rest of us that you’re morally superior!

What Theofascism, the Zionist one Biden is currently trying to realize?

It’s like you’re calling the people who opposed Hitler “leftist idealogues”

What Theofascism, the Zionist one Biden is currently trying to realize?

Ah yes. Remember when Biden said, “I’m going to be Dictator on day one?” And remember the time he spoke at CPAC or TPUSA? Remember when his pastor prayed for God to “strike and strike and strike and strike…?” Remember when Biden paraphrased Hitler multiple times in speeches? Oh wait. That was Trump.

You’re an ideologue, because you’re all talk. Your “plan” is to dig in your heels up to and including making Biden lose, and then you think you’ll take on Trump and Republicans? How? Gonna start a civil war? Be the ragtag heroes who beat the bad guys, because your conviction is stronger?

That’s not a realistic plan. They’ll do things specifically because it’s the opposite of what you want, and since you’re not in their group, they won’t be inclined to listen to you.

Remember when Biden said

this

And this

And also this

And then starting unconditionally supporting genocide for that?

Joe Biden 1986: were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent one

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Yep. Doesn’t mean he’s planning to set it up here in the US. But do equivocate more.

By obstruct, you mean to share misinformation and propaganda about him at every turn?

Why is it so important to you that people don’t vote for him if all you seem concerned with is personally not supporting genocide?

And why are tou so certain that Trump won’t do the same then he’s honored the same deals with Israel in the past?

You’re spreading propaganda and everyone knows it.

Do you not understand how being complicit in a genocide is something of a red line for a lot of people?

Centrists can’t imagine anyone actually opposing genocide, which is why they keep calling anyone who does a russian chinese shill bot.

I love how you view the idea of Democrats actually changing direction based on the views of their constituents (you know, the entire idea of democracy) as such an impossible idea, and the idea that Biden will not change direction on Israel as such a foregone conclusion.

The election is eight months away, Biden has plenty of time to grow a spine and stand up to Netanyahu. This might not salvage all the votes he has lost, but I think it will salvage enough. Rather than browbeating people on the internet about how they should vote for Biden regardless, maybe start pressuring Dems to take action to ensure that Republicans don’t take the presidency.

Why not both? Both is good.
Seems like a waste of time lol. Shaming people has never been a good way to get their vote, if anything it just alienates them further.
Who said showing them where their thinking is flawed is for them?

I used to think this line of thinking was dangerous and was going to help Trump win reelection. But I think you're right, we can't let the threat of a Republican being elected coerce into supporting a genocide.

The only clear answer is to teach the Democrats they need to hear and listen to us and champion our policies. The only way I can see to do that is to throw my support entirely behind Donald Trump and other Republican candidates up and down the ballot.

Maybe once only right wing candidates are winning the Democrats will learn that the only way to power is to run extremely left wing candidates and we'll finally see some progress.