return2ozmaGen Z embraces 'safety capitalism', says current social safety net is broken
tsonfeirNo they don’t. They want socialism. Or democratic socialism.
DeceptichumOr anarchism or communism.
Anarchism has too many forms and communism doesn’t work on a large scale (greed and corruption are too easy).
I’m not saying capitalism is working!!
MotoAshCommunism, as in community driven government, has never existed.
Lol yes it has, we just know the end results. Stop acting like communism hasn’t been tried.
I see you don’t know what communism is. Sad.
I see you tankies don’t know what it is at all. My family has lived through that shit, so you can kindly go fuck yourself. Bad capitalism is 1000xs better than anything communism can spit out.
Cowbee [he/they]Weren’t you the guy that even after a 10+ long comment chain still fundamentally didn’t know what Communism was, and then ran away when I threw an actual quote from Critique of the Gotha Programme?
Naa I got bored of arguing with a dumbass tankie. You still think communism is going to magically make people want to work harder than others without rewards and you also still think those in power won’t abuse an it.
You can get more rewards, lol, and in Communism, there isn’t anyone “in power.”
I’m not a tankie, you just legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about.
Lol uhh ok, sure so no one is in power, and there is a reward system for people who work harder…sounds like capitalism a bit…but do go on and tell the class how communism has never been tried, and there is no structure and everyone is equally provided for no matter what they do.
I’ve already explained to you over and over again, it’s really quite exhausting.
Communism is a post-socialist society, where there is no state.
Working harder or longer for more is not Capitalism. Capitalism is about having individual Capital Owners who pay wage laborers to create commodities. If the community shares said Capital, it can’t be considered Capitalism, even if some people are paid more or less.
People have attempted to build Communism, but never got beyond Socialism so far.
There is a structure, just not a state.
It’s a post-socialist society, ie productivity is high enough that everyone can be provided for adequately. We’re actually already there, we just don’t distribute properly.
Lol so lala land with Star Trek replicators…none of what you have said works outside of paper.
You’re describing a fantasy land.
No, you don’t need star trek replicators. We can already do it, but we need to build it.
Lol no for your scenario you absolutely do. Do you think all the food and physical labor magically exists? Do you think people aren’t going to want what someone else has if they have more “rewards”? Communism doesn’t work, because we’re are not ants… we’re humans and humans are creatures that for the mass portion of the population will step on others to get what they want.
If you can get something via cooperation, you’ll do it. Pretty simple. Humans are more communal than competitive.
No we are not, sure in small numbers when small villages and tribes existed because they had to for survival. That shit isn’t going to magically kick in when it’s time for everyone to go harvest food. You have a very naive understanding of humans.
Good thing I didn’t say that, lol.
You don’t have to be a Communist, just stop acting like you know what you’re talking about when you make incorrect authoritative claims like “Communism assumes everyone works for the same outcome” and “Communism assumes people don’t want more.”
It’s incredibly easy to not have opinions about subjects you don’t understand, I encourage you to try!