Edit: I’ve been corrected about some of the claims I made about Content Nation. I accept that it wasn’t designed to be a scraper, though it presents as one to admins viewing web server logs. I will be more careful with my language.

I was also wrong about the technical details of how it works; thanks sincerely for the lesson.

It was not cool for some vigilante to deliberately cause Content Nation to cache CSAM and then report them to the authorities. Fuck the person who did that.

@triton if I check my instance (mastodon.online), I can see an that an entity exists. However, it is being marked as a "group".

https://mastodon.online/@hilfe@contentnation.net

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@SuitedUpDev Oh interesting , thanks, I do not think groups are a feature of Hometown which this server runs.
@triton @SuitedUpDev *key supports groups, and it doesn't work here on Sharkey either...
@woozle can the mods look into blocking this (above) from scraping toot.cat?
@weirdofhermiston Looks like it should be possible, but I'll need to check with our tech admins about the best way to do this.

@triton I do love how on Mastodon people do immediately call out fishy actors. Like those little birds work together to protect themselves and drive away a big predatory bird.

(No offense to any big predatory birds here.)

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@triton It's not a scraper, it's a federated blogging engine not much different than WordPress. Cached content was declared to expire within 1 hour, but it is said that Fediverse ingestion is now off during the ongoing discussions. contentnation.net/FEDERATION.m… Join over Matrix: matrix.to/#/#fediverse:pixie.t…
@triton
Oh no.
Speaking of content scrapers, is kilioa dot org a known one? Because I saw pixelfed posts I made mirrored there and I don't remember giving my consent for that? Trying to look this up is also impossible for me personally because I only find more mirrored content.
@Sparrowlicious While I'm not sure, as far as I can tell, Kilioa is just a regular Fediverse server that mirrors content from accounts followed by its users, just like any Mastodon, Pixelfed, etc server. This is a normal part of federation. For example, mastodon.ART isn't a scraper, but also has copies of your posts: https://mastodon.art/@Sparrowlicious@fandom.garden
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@eishiya
Okay but *why* does it do that?
I think you can understand why this freaks me out a little.
@Sparrowlicious It's part of what makes federation work. If servers didn't make local copies of posts, then people wouldn't be able to view those posts when using their own instances, they'd have to go to the source instance every time. Federated services would be unusable.
It would also make the Fediverse entirely unscalable - if there's just the one copy, a post going viral on another instance would take the original instance down.
@eishiya
I meant, why do websites like kiliora exist where they just pull content from across the fediverse into a content goo website? I understand being able to view things across instances. I do not understand a website that just mirrors everything.

@Sparrowlicious Oh, Kiliora is running Mbin, which if I understand correctly which is a federated alternative to things like Reddit - it's a discussion forum for things found on the Internet. The original content on such services is typically the discussion, not the original post. For Fedi posts, it makes sense for the whole post to be pulled in and have the discussion attached to it, rather than being a link like on Reddit.

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@Sparrowlicious And as I mentioned, nigh-wholesale mirroring of accounts is part of federation, so when that happens, that's usually just the server's local copy of your posts so people on Kilioa can follow you and view your posts. But because Kilioa is a Reddit-like content aggregator and discussion forum, it styles these posts like any other post, with up/downvoting, etc. You probably don't see this additional activity happening because it's foreign to Mastodon and Pixelfed.

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@Sparrowlicious (Again though, I'm not familiar with Mbin, so this is just how I understand it works from a cursory look! I'm not really qualified to answer the question of why Mbin exists and why people use it the way they do, I don't even use Reddit 🤣)
@triton @brook you might want to look into blocking this ip!
@coelacanth64 @triton thanks for the heads up! my understanding is they have shut down their federation functionality due to the negative response it received
I guess @ordnung will or already have blocked them?
@kunsi as of now the IP is blocked but it looks like there is some discussion going on and maybe it was less problematic than it looked like.

@triton hey, this might not be known to you, but the ActivityPub API isn't push-only; There's a whole bunch of GET requests in there, e.g., retrieving the actor document, retrieving the followers collection, the featured posts collection, the likes collection, etc.

Collections can be updated via push (POST to the actor's inbox) or they can be synchronised by GET request too.

@thisismissem Ta, thanks for the correction. TIL!
@triton can you explain for me? The explanation from the owner didn't make sense. How was our content viewable there if it wasn't cached?
@weirdofhermiston My limited understanding is that it was cached there for a short time (I was told 1 hour but couldn’t test that).

@triton Not a scraper. Just a poorly behaved Fedi client plug-in for a publishing platform. https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/

The ContentNation service itself appears to be a content publishing platform, not unlike Floatplane, but with Fedi integration so that users on their platform can be followed by users in the Fediverse - and their users are able to read and interact with posts and replies. Their site is here: https://contentnation.net/en/

The dev is also on Fedi - https://noc.social/@sash/ - and says he's changed his integration to be outgoing only so it's more like an announcement list instead.

Content Nation Backlash Highlights Mastodon’s Toxicity

It turns out, if people in an online community really don't like what you're doing, they can turn to harassment, threats, or worse to try to shut you down.

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