return2ozmaWhat do you think comes after capitalism fails?
Politically IncorrectEurope Tribes?
RhynoplazIt doesn’t fail. It succeeds horribly.
Cowbee [he/they]It also fails, though. It’s unsustainable, Capitalists sew the seeds of their own downfall. They just hope they enjoy the ride and pass the buck off to someone else.
MrJameGumbIt already has failed. This is what comes after.
This is what comes after.
Jean memes I presume
Dunno. But fascism is what happens after it succeeds.
DudeImMacGyverThe dystopian cyberpunk future William Gibson tried to warn us about.
Spoiler: We’re already living in it.
jordanlundThe sky the color of a TV tuned to a dead channel has never looked prettier though…
shartworxWatch Alita Battle Angel or Elysium.
ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝Neo-feudalism, then the thinning of the herd once high levels of automation are achieved.
It’s already happening in modernized countries, no need to do anything there. The poorer ones will end up starving as the climate collapses, so that’s basically taken care of too.
Welp.
Automation powered socialism or famine. Depends where you live I guess. Some places will fare better than others.
Fascism. It’s fascism.
Economic and social collapse dislocates a lot of people. It dislocates people who think they shouldn’t be dislocated, because they played by the rules. They go to church, they had a job, they’re patriotic to their best understanding of the word.
Then, in their minds, something must have changed. It might be the immigrants, or the Jews, or the gays, or weirdly drag queens for some reason this time around. Then someone comes along who validates them as victims and promises a return to their historical glory days.
The last paroxysm is the election or ascendency of a far right populist who elevates that narrative. They promise to restore national pride and return to traditional values, and to return the nation to its roots which had made it strong and put them on top.
It’s happened multiple times around the world, and there are a lot of books and articles on how and why it happens.
amniotic druidA square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares.
Just say authoritarianism. Fascism has happened exactly once in modern history. Words have meaning and you don’t get to assign values to them because one helps your political motive better than the other.
SattaRIPFascism has happened exactly once in modern history.
Blatantly false.
Everything fascist supports says is a lie to forward fascism.
Fascism =/= Nazism =/= Francoism.
See:
a square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares.
Nazism isn't fascism is quite the take. I can't tell if you're a troll or just a pedant who goes about being pedantic wrong.
Fascism has happened exactly once in modern history.
Are you putting the fascist regimes of Germany, Italy and Spain into one basket? Also the current regime in Russia?
Fascism is a characteristic of capitalist economies - it cannot exist without capitalism.
So no.
Yeas, in the sense that fascism is borne in capitalism, but it’s also marks the end of capitalism and what comes after.
but it’s also marks the end of capitalism and what comes after.
No, it doesn’t. Fascism poses no threat to capitalism and never has - that’s the whole reason capitalists eagerly fund fascists into power. Some fascists might dislike capitalism - such as Franco, for instance - but that doesn’t mean fascism can exist without it in any way, shape or form.
Oh you got me wrong, of course fascism is created to serve capitalists, but after the fascist power grab, they don’t need to have the theatre of freedom™ and markets anymore.
We’re just going to revisit all the classics. Company towns, fuedalism, etc. The wasted potential is just sickening.
Could be a Star Trek “utopia”. Technology lets us figure out how to solve resource allocation.
As long as psychopaths get easy access to power our world will be nothing but a way to extract wealth from the workers to the owners.
Period.
Even if capitalism disappeared today, the billionaires would reinvent it.
Eat the rich, it is the only environmentally friendly solution
vikingNeo-stoneage.
squid_slimetechno feudalism
I remember reading a Guardian article in which it discussed the requirements of any market to either evolve or die based on the circumstances it finds itself in.
It highlighted that because Communism could not adapt quickly enough to its circumstances that it failed - the centrally governing authority were not able to efficiently or effectively govern the market at the time. Leading to multiple issues.
I would like to see the evolution of Capitalism. That we do not view everything only through an economic lens- there needs to be environmental, societal and political factors which must also be taken into account.
That and personal accountability and responsibility for business practices. For example you can pollute that waterway but we will take all your profits and you go to jail for 30years
Dark ArcI think this is the ideal. Capitalism is reigned in and regulated, consumers are encouraged to buy more expensive products in exchange for better conditions for the associated workers and the planet, labor unions surge, and billionaires are taxed out of existence.
Capitalism evolves into either Socialism or fascism, so we should push for Socialism.
Post scarcity anarchism. I suggest you read Walkaway by Cory Doctorow. It made me into a (re)believer.
Feel free to pirate the book. Mr. Doctorow doesn’t mind. He walks the walk.
After capitalism,
1. All firms should be democratic worker coops. The legal system would recognize the inalienable right to workers' control.
2. Land and natural resources should be collectively owned with revenue from private use of this collective property going out as a UBI. The atmosphere is included and any carbon fees are included.
3. Pools of collectivized capital democratically controlled by workers in member worker coops. Each worker coop leases all its capital from the pool
That would be nice. It’s probably going to be war though.
A mass die off
We return to bigger army diplomacy.
Jk, we never left that system.
If capitalism fails.
It will fail, inevitably. It’s unsustainable.
It’d been unsustainable for thousands of years, and yet here we are.
Capitalism is only a few hundred years old, what do you think we are talking about?
Commerce isn’t capitalism. Capitalism began with the Dutch East India Company.
Yeah yeah yeah… Capitalism bad, m’kay ?
I only see it becoming stronger and stronger with the growth of huge companies like Google Amazon, apple, etc. That are already beyond national level.
As megacorporations swell, and disparity rises, so too does exploitation. Disparity rising is not a good thing. This leads to instability and collapse.
SavvyWolfLemmyreddit finds a new political/economic system to constantly be bitter at.
Chaos and war, probably.
If there isn’t a large Socialist coalition to combat fascism, then fascism will rise before collapsing even harder. If there is a large Socialist coalition, and that coalition successfully combats the fascist powers, then some form of Socialism will likely replace it, and humanity can continue progressing instead of regressing.
I’m leaning into the right of this meme more and more with every passing day
GrayoxI’m in this image and I dont like it.
I Cast FistDepends on the place. A cycle of failures is a feature of capitalism, it’s the opportunity for the next future failure to rise up and take charge. For great profit.
Lots of power struggles until one faction comes out on top (this includes subjugation and the equivalent of puppet states) or, less likely, those involved reach an agreement of coexistence.
Sometimes I think that humanity not breaking up into smaller groups after they passed a size of ~200 was a serious mistake.
fedonomy - lemm.ee
Fedonomy, or federated economy, much like the fediverse, is a federated web of nodes, representing customers, producers, & service providers. It is an economic model that solves the problem of value creation, distribution, & consumption in a democratic, open, & equal manner without a middle man dictating the terms of such economy. It is the natural evolutionary step after capitalism.
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Mass starvation.
Yes, accompanied by an economic structure far worse than capitalism, and a government style far worse than liberal democracy.
We got it good.
With the way things are going, a return to out and out fascism.
Corporate feudalism was a fun concept I played with in high school, but now that I’m older, I think I was just approaching the concepts of a lot of modern cyberpunk settings portrayed.
Sadly , the country supports gun ownership strongly. It is probably going to be a black summer deal.
Society fragments into a bunch of smaller communities. Some will be relatively nice, some very much will not
“Fail” or “Succeed” is based on your perspective.
Capitalism won’t fail. It’s a great success to the rich who get richer by manipulating it.
Capitalism is a success, just not for us or anyone we know.
The 1% don’t give a shit about that. If they did it wouldn’t be an issue in the first place.
Yes but capitalism depends on the working class to continue consuming. As that becomes increasingly more difficult and also natural resources are depleting, the system is going to collapse
If pop culture is to be believed, the country boys will go back to hunting and farming. At least until the diesel runs out. They’ll fight off the free loading hoards from the city looking for food until the ammunition runs out.