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MicroWave Feb 28, 2024

Nikki Haley: America Is Committing “Suicide” by Voting for Trump

Nikki Haley: America Is Committing “Suicide” by Voting for Trump - Lemmy.World

To use political jargon, Nikki Haley—who has lost primary contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and her home state of South Carolina—does not have a snow ball’s chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination for president. Still, she is apparently intent on not going down without a fight, and to that end, the former governor has a message for voters: Anyone who votes for Donald Trump has a death wish for America.

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givesomefucks Feb 28, 2024

Haley is just as crazy as trump. Which is why normalizing him by running worse Dem candidates than we normally would is so terrible.

Suddenly people like Haley and Liz Cheney start being called “moderates” because they’re halfway between trump and a neoliberals running with a D by their name.

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hddsx Feb 28, 2024

I’m a conservative moderate independent. I very briefly considered Haley because I heard some good things about her. BUT, her views on abortion and pardoning Trump so we can “move on” as a country feel unconscionable to me.

I really don’t like Biden, but I can’t blame him for running for reelection. Incumbent presidents tend to have an advantage with voters. Part of the reason I dislike him is that my ideal candidate, Warren, is unlikely to run in 2028.

And the thing I admired about conservatives is no longer valid. I can respect that you have a different view than I do, and that you stand by your values. Republicans threw away their values and are set to throw away democracy to accomplish their goals.

And the thing is, I would vote for a literal flaming pile of poop over Trump and Biden certainly is better than that, as much as I don’t like him.

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givesomefucks Feb 28, 2024

I’m a conservative moderate independent

So you and people like you turned 1 of our 2 political parties into a giant dumpster fire that threatens world wide stability…

And now you want to lecture Dems on what kind of candidates we should be happy with?

Why would anyone care what your opinion is on political candidates?

Go fix your own house first instead of burning down half of the only remaining house.

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hddsx Feb 28, 2024

I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. I just firmly believe in government working for the people. I don’t play party politics.

You have to realize that at the end of the day, we’re all people and that treating people like individuals is better than treating government like a competitive sport.

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givesomefucks Feb 28, 2024

The “big tent” is just an excuse to move the democratic party right so no matter who wins so that billionaires never lose…

That’s why the party fights any movement to the left, and takes every opportunity to move right.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that, but as a “conservative moderate” I’m sure this isn’t a new experience.

Have a nice life

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hddsx

I’m not trying to be a Democrat. And I also don’t believe democrats should move right. That’s something Obama did wrong.

If the middle is 0, one side should be -5 and the other side should be +5. Obama had too much faith in republicans, offering 0 right off the bat, allowing republicans to go to +10.

What should really happen is that the Republican Party should be split into far right crazies and center right, and the Democratic Party should be split into center left and far left.

It is absolutely ridiculous for the Republican Party to characterize the Democrats as “the far left” and throw terms like “communist” and “socialist”. The US NEEDS a socialist and communist party such that the Republican Party can stop mis-using these terms and come back to reality.

I’m sorry if you think I misunderstood, and I welcome any corrections

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grue Feb 28, 2024

TL;DR: you’re a reasonable person, but one who has no understanding of the game theory of how our political system works.

Here’s the thing: you can’t just want the Overton window to not be skewed and for all ideologies to be represented by political parties; you have to understand the current fucked-up framework we have that structurally suppresses all but the two most popular parties in order to figure out how to change it to be fairer.

The only alternatives to developing that understanding and strategy – sitting around whining about it, or trying to burn it down and start over – range from ineffective to foolhardy.

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hddsx Feb 28, 2024

TIL that there’s a term for the concept I’ve been trying to explain what’s wrong with American politics.

By framework, do you mean FPTP naturally becomes a two party system? Because honestly, we need RCV. And it might be prudent to go back to the system at founding:

Most votes is President, second most is vice.

To be honest, I’m not sure why we have to vote for a ticket.

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icydefiance Feb 28, 2024

If the middle is 0, then right now one party is 5 and the other is 5000. Calling yourself a moderate means you’re somewhere around 2500, which is still extremely, absurdly conservative.