Molly Whitesuper cool that all these companies have decided to make customers opt OUT of having their data sold for AI training purposes
"but no one would do it if it was opt-in!"
yeah, THAT IS THE PROBLEM
wraptile@molly0xfff no one does anything if it's opt in FYI. It's a broken model.
Jes Moved to @@wraptile @molly0xfff apple has a permission to track users. turns out that most people clicked deny even when the app itself nagged the user.
@Jessica @molly0xfff yeah even when user-to-dev relationship is good like in open source software big majority of users still don't opt in unfortunately.
It's a super difficult problem when ppl make it appear easy. I think for corporate software they can offer rewards (e.g. newsletter gets coupons etc) but for free software? You have to really beg and still get single percent digits of users agree :(
If I'm making free software and I need that feature you're opting out or pay me lol
🪨@Varpie @molly0xfff do they though? most people don't even know what cookies are and just click "accept" because that's the only way to get rid of the pop up.
Also considering the lengths cookie pop ups go to hide the "only functional cookies" button and try to trick the users into clicking "accept all" is prime example why opt in is not a viable strategy. It's in people's nature to trade as little as possible.
@wraptile @molly0xfff Sure, most people don't read it, but at least it's an extra step that needs to be accepted first, which we don't have with opt-out options.
And with GDPR, refusing should be as easy as accepting, so if a popup doesn't have the "accept all" and "refuse all non-necessary" buttons at the same level, they are breaking GDPR, in which case you may want to let one of the many privacy watchdog groups know, as they can take action.
And with GDPR, refusing should be as easy as accepting, so if a popup doesn't have the "accept all" and "refuse all non-necessary" buttons at the same level, they are breaking GDPR, in which case you may want to let one of the many privacy watchdog groups know, as they can take action.
@Varpie @molly0xfff I think you're conflating ideology with practical application. Unfortunately these options are not sustainable. Am I going to fill in forms for cookie pop ups now with some authorities and all of which is unlikely to change anything either way? There's a better way than just putting band aids and pretending things are fixed.
@wraptile @molly0xfff Ideologies still give fines: Facebook had to pay €60M in 2022 due to the cookies being too difficult to say no to, Google got €100M and Amazon €35M... And that's just the headlines coming from France.