return2ozmaMichigan Democrats Let Loose on Biden on MSNBC: ‘Thinking We’re Stupid Enough to Elect You Again’
LopensLeftArmHow to commit intellectual suicide and political homicide all at once!
trevor (he/they)Skill issue. Biden should simply stop enabling the genocide.
Are you voting for Biden in the general election? Yes or no?
Please watch the segment and listen to the voters. Then discuss. Here’s the full segment:
Michigan Voters: "Willing to 'punish Joe Biden by making him a one-term president'
No thanks I’ll pass on that. Also, that reply wasn’t for you, everyone knows you’re either voting for Trump or you’re ineligible to vote because you’re in Russia.
GodlessCommieAt this point Biden is the greater evil.
That may be the single stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
Vote for the guy that’s helped facilitate the death of 40k people because the other guy would be worse, sounds more ignorant.
Blue is a cult too
Do you suppose Trump will pull us out of Israel? Do you suppose Trump will protect LGBTQ people? Do you suppose Trump will invest in the economy? Do you suppose Trump will forgive college debt?
If you answered “no” to any of those, they’re not even remotely the same quality of candidate.
Voting strategically ≠ cult. And unless you can produce a viable candidate who’s better than Trump and Biden and could beat both in November, it’s just wishful thinking and fear of getting your hands dirty.
I’m not afraid of getting my hands dirty, but anyone voting for Biden has blood on theirs. Trump is garbage exactly like Biden. But in every case genocide is always the greater evil.
I’m calling concern troll, you are 100% in the tank for Trump.
Oh they absolutely are. They have next to nothing critical to say about Trump, his administration, or his criminal acts. Their account is anti-Biden propaganda only.
Democrats are the greater evil because they pretend to care. In reality they walk hand in hand with Republicans.
At this point, there no reason to hide the fact that you’re clearly a right-wing troll. You have offered nothing to any discussion aside from trolling and falsehoods.
Truth that you don’t want to acknowledge doesn’t make it a lie. You support someone to the right of Reagan and Thatcher and call yourself liberal.
At least you’re not denying it. It’s good that everyone can finally see you for what you are. It might put out to rest any attempt to waste time trying to correct the misinformation you spread here and just give reason to block you from their feed.
I mean, how many comments have you had removed due to misinformation now?
jordanlundDemocrats aren’t trying to ban abortion, IVF, birth control, and no fault divorce.
Republicans aren’t trying to ban guns, the death penalty, or legalizing drug use.
The two are NOT walking hand in hand.
Do you even understand WHY it’s all happening? Have you gone back through the history and relationships between the US and Israel? Agreements and proposals? Have you explored the nuance and complexity enough to arrive at the conclusions you’ve make up in your head?
Or are you just outraged because you like to be?
You’ve been asked by myself and many others to show your work. You NEVER respond to these requests. So it’s rather that you can’t because there is no response that doesn’t shed light on the fault in your agenda, or that you just can’t be bothered to explain it all.
If it’s the former, then you really need to walk away from these discussions and educate yourself on the matters.
And if it’s the latter, then you really need to walk away from these discussions as it’s bad faith to just pop in, shit on the discussion, and walk away without at least backing up what you say.
The floor is yours:
It’s happening because Biden has accepted over $5,223,313 in AIPAC money. And it’s 100% in his power to stop all money and weapons to Israel, but that $5M in AIPAC money bought cheap access to the WH.
I’m going to ask to to go back even further. Really try this time.
Take a look at the rest of their comments. Trust me… they’ve said dumber things. They essentially parrot every right-wing talking point.
Semi-Hemi-DemigodDownvoted for telling folks to read the article. smdh
Never change, Internet.
And this is why Biden will lose and why Hillary lost. They don’t want to listen to the voters.
Will he stop promoting genocide?
The question is a yes or a no, very simple. No further information is needed. Are you voting for Biden in the general election?
Are you supporting genocide?
Like I said, you don’t need any further information to answer the question. It’s very simple, yes or no, are you voting for Biden in the general election?
Its a simple yes no question, do you support the continued genocide of.the Palestinian people?
If every candidate supports Israel, doesn’t this make it a non issue?
I guess extra-electorial action is required.
Ah ok, so you live in a fantasy world
I asked you first, and your inability to answer speaks volumes. You’re a Trump shill.
Maybe he’s just religiously dumb.
This person is a pro-genocide NPC and this is where their dialogue tree starts looping.
Still can’t answer, eh? Could it be because you, too, are here propping up Trump?
I won’t answer. You are not owed an answer, you snivelling genocide apologist.
As I said: you can use the lack of an answer to reflect on the how well the broader strategy of defending genocide will move people to vote for Biden in the general election.
So you’re voting for Trump, got it. Thanks for the confirmation.
This guy you’re arguing with is beyond being reasoned with. He’s voting with his current feelings, not his brain.
Lol unlike Trump, Netanyahu’s buddy, who moved the embassy to Israel. Punish Biden, by helping Trump win, so that Trump can help Netanyahu demolish Palestine. Great plan.
No one asked about trump.
There’s only two parties and two candidates you dolt
knightly the SneptaurHow does that make it acceptable to support genocide?
I mean there are more than 2, just only 2 that really have a horse in the race.
Trump thanks you for your vote. Enjoy your MAGA fascism.
So far BlueMAGA fascism looks identical to MAGA.
Welcome to your daily “anyone who disagrees with me loves Trump” thread.
Who would you propose as a viable, progressive alternative to Trump and Biden?
That’s the best part: We’ve painted ourselves into a shitty corner and now we can’t get out without voting for someone we don’t want.
No progressive could possibly win because that’s not what Americans want. I’m surrounded by people who terrify me and I’m powerless to stop them.
This is why I’ve given up hope of ever having a government I consent to be ruled by.
Nothing makes me feel less American than an election.
That’s the best part: they don’t give a shit whether you consent to be ruled or not. 🙃
Which is kinda fucked considering the Declaration of Independence says they derive their power from the consent of the governed.
Which is a lie. Power comes from the monopoly on violence.
What a stupid world.
If that were true, non-violent people would have no power.
They don’t.
If I were to non-violently withhold taxes to protest this genocide, the government would violently drag me into prison.
Non-violent people only have power if there are violent people backing them up.
It’s not like the guards who walked Ruby Bridges into school were armed with stern faces.
Hm… looks like stupidity isn’t exclusively a republican thing.
I fully believe they are capable of making Joe Biden a one-term president and electing Donald Trump instead. But if their goals are to make the presidency less pro-Israel I guess I would say that plan of action is actually stupider than re-electing Biden.
Capable? Polling is a catastrophe for Democrats. 45 has a high probability of returning to the White House.
Polling in Michigan is essentially 50/50. Polls have Trump up by within the margin of error, with an impossible 10-20% of people undecided or voting third party.
Meanwhile there is no likely voter screen on current polls, and when the NYT did a likely voter screen nationally it helped Biden (Trump historically overperforms among the low-propensity voters so that tracks).
And Trump has underperformed his polls in every race so far in the primaries.
And it’s 9 months until the election.
You’d rather be on the winning side of 39-42 but it’s pretty far from catastrophic.
Michigan is a state Biden won. If that being a dead heat is positive news for Democrats, that’s not positive. Besides, the RCP average has Trump at +5.1
Meanwhile there is no likely voter screen on current polls,
Based on your numbers, you were looking at the Emerson College poll for Michigan. There’s a Michigan-based pollster of likely voters for only Michigan that has Trump leading 45 to 41.
And Trump has underperformed his polls in every race so far in the primaries.
The Republican primary has essentially been over since shortly after it began. I don’t know if we can really glean anything from it. This isn’t like Hillary vs Barack where it was actually contested and people thought they had to get to the primaries and vote.
And it’s 9 months until the election.
This is a very fair point, but Biden is -2.1 right now. Biden was approximately +5.4 at this point last election. Clinton was +2.8. These are RCP numbers.
I looked at the graphs for the national aggregate polling too and Trump is generally doing much better than in either previous election. The race obviously isn’t decided yet, but If I’m a DNC strategist I would be more than concerned because the electoral college does not structurally favor Democrats.
pretty far from catastrophic.
Fair. That was pretty hyperbolic.
If everyone is crystal clear that Biden will not be reelected this early, then it’s the DNC who will elect trump. Same thing happened with Hillary.