TukmaNetanyahu’s plan for Gaza: Israeli security control and Palestinian disarmament - International Monitor
sin_free_for_00_daysPeople always freak out about Netanyahu not going for a 2 state solution, ignoring that Hamas doesn’t want a 2 state solution either.
Because Hamas has no power to effect that agenda.
Between the two people who want to skin you alive, you will of course be more worried about the guy who already has a knife to fucking do it.
How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.
If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own,and not just once, but […]
Clearly the answer to their objections is to take even more land
Sorry Canada but you objected to us taking your land too strongly, hippity hoppity Vancouver is now our property!
Ah, yes, the 2000 deal that was so bad the then-Israeli minister of foreign affairs said he wouldn't accept it if he was in Arafat's place. I could go through all of these one by one, but I think you get the idea.
bartolomeoThere’s nothing untrue in what you’ve said on this thread. Maybe you’re downvoted by people who prefer fantasy.
They do, though. That's been their official stance since 2017.
Israel’s idea of a 2 state solution is pretty much the same deal that the Native Americans got so I don’t see why anyone would support that. Outside of racists and fascists of course.
Don’t forget reintroducing settlers to the strip, gotta remember they intend to wipe the Palestinians out completely by settler stating them into oblivion.
This is a land grab. The first Israeli settlement in Gaza will prove it. My guess is that will happen sometime late this year, perhaps close to the US elections.
【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Gaza gave up its land when it let terrorists turn it into Swiss cheese.
You mean when they “let” Israels terrorist regime bomb their entire infrastructure into ruins?
Oh yeah why was Israel bombing, and what were they shooting at?
𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍Chuldren.
Hey check this out!
Looks like Israel is an apartheid state after all…
The accusation that Israel is committing apartheid has been supported by United Nations investigators,[11] the African National Congress (ANC),[12] several human rights groups,[13][14] and many prominent Israeli political and cultural figures.[15][16] Those who support the accusations hold that certain laws explicitly or implicitly discriminate on the basis of creed or race, in effect privileging Jewish citizens and disadvantaging non-Jewish, and particularly Arab, citizens.[17] These include the Law of Return, the 2003 Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, and many laws regarding security, land and planning, citizenship, political representation in the Knesset (legislature), education and culture. The Nation-State Law, enacted in 2018, was widely condemned in both Israel and internationally as discriminatory,[18] and has also been called an “apartheid law” by members of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), opposition MPs, and other Arab and Jewish Israelis.[19][20] Israel and a number of Western governments and scholars, on the other hand, have rejected the charges or objected to the use of the word apartheid.[21][22] Some argue that the situation is not comparable to apartheid in South Africa, that Israel’s policies are primarily driven by security considerations,[23][24] and that the accusation is factually and morally inaccurate and intended to delegitimize Israel.[25][26][27]
Especially when they “let” Israel block any building material from entering Gaza so they couldn’t even build their infrastrucure back up or, you know, have jobs. Or infrastructure.
Any building material? Huh weird how it had all those schools and hospitals and apartments I keep reading about. Or, you know, they just couldn’t bring in materials that could also be used for bombmaking or underground home living, or else, you know, the material would get used build hundreds of miles of tunnels to smuggle fighters and weapons for the sole purpose of, you know, killing Jews.
That’s the jobs program with Hamas in charge: pay pensions to the families of Martyrs™ or anyone that kills a Jew. Hamas was always terrorists, never a government, why would anyone send it the materials it needs to be terrorists? Maybe, you know, put someone else in charge that isn’t going to so gravely miscalculate its strength and capability as to get everyone killed. Maybe Hamas could, you know, see that they are beaten and surrender, face the consequences under the law?
Israel is starving the population and you are a mouth piece keeping the blame off of their backs.
People like you have no regards to the starving thousands, all just to support a non denocratic ethnostate practicing apartheid in their own laws and courts.
Oh, I know this take! Isn’t it the one that blames the Jews for the Holocaust?
And you gave up your common sense to bootlick Israel for some reason
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
By your own logic and admission, Israel is not a democracy.
Why are you posting irrelevant links and stalking me on this website?
But the evidence says otherwise… it is regarded as an apartheid state by political scientists. Why do you refuse to admit the truth? Did you even read the link or did you lie when you said you change your mind based on evidence?
This is what you sound like right now:
But the evidence says the earth is flat… It is regarded as flat by people who say it’s flat. Why do you refuse to admit the truth if its flatness? Did you even blah blah blah…
You understand South African Apartheid was a system of minority rule?
When it’s like Israel, a system of majority rule, we call it democracy.
Do no you not understand that, or appreciate what that means? When the minority enacts positive law upon an unconsenting majority it is a violation of human rights. When the majority enacts positive law with popular consent–and not some caliphate or immamate or monarch–its the peak of human achievement?
That double standard you’re applying is why so many people consider it anti semitic to call Israel is an apartheid state.
I think that if you click through and read the primary sources from Wikipedia, or if you do even a modicum of review of law review articles or politicak science journal articles on this, you will find that usually people making this argument are saying that Israel has some discriminatory laws which are like Apartheid. Obviously, some people (you) go further and say Israel is literally an apartheid state. And some people also say the earth is flat.
Oh yeah, what about this then?
Howard Friel writes that Tutu “views the conditions in the occupied Palestinian territories as resembling apartheid in South Africa.” BBC News reported in 2012 that Tutu “accused Israel of practicing apartheid in its policies towards Palestinians.”[325]
Or this? aljazeera.com/…/south-africa-calls-for-israels-pr…
I think what I will do is quote bits of it for you every day until you realize.
Yes they are. It’s rote hypocrisy.
I think you don’t recognize what sort of things are facts and what sort of things are opinions.
How far did you go in school?
So when South Africa says Israel is an apartheid state, they’re just expressing an anti-Semitic opinion? Not based on any evidence? And all people who overwhelmingly agree are just also anti-Semitic? Can’t you see how this just makes Israel above criticism so it can continue its genocidal landgrabbing?
Bud, I’m sorry to say that you have been tricked™.
You’re delusional. Listen to how you speak in absolutes and put words in my mouth.
Hmmm do you know more about Apartheid than South Africa?
Great, at least you’re an honest idiot.
And this?
Oh gee how will I “run away” from an opinion piece in Qatari state media. If you’re just pretending to be a fool you are doing very well.
and how about running away from this one?
@[email protected] sorry, no response on this yet??? Is this also an “opinion piece” from “Qatari run state media”? Or is this just another piece of reality that you want to ignore?
I have lots more btw. You don’t like the NYT? no problem, I got the same piece of news from a lot more outlets spread over many dates.
Youre not smart enough for these conversations at least not with me. I have tried to block you.
You have tried to block me?
Did you try going to my account from the web interface and clicking “Block User” shown in the top right? Otherwise, tell me what app you’re using and I can google a method for you.
Any success in blocking me, bud?
Maybe you finally realized my life is worth just as much as your own? Do I detect a smidge of empathy?
Except that’s not what happened at all lol
What? They dug 450 miles of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide. 5,000 shafts. Tunnels in all three major cities extending under the highest density housing in the area, under colleges, under hospitals., and literally connecting them together so as to move terrorists and weapons around. Did they not realize the massive construction going on under their feet when they decided not to have elections any more and let actual terrorists be in charge?
What did they think would happen when they used those tunnels for decades to launch indiscriminate rocket attacks and suicide bombings before October 7, when they gathered up thousands of fighters and crossed the border to do a bunch of mass shootings of civilians and first responders? That’s not very neighborly.
Even once the bombs stop and every member of Hamas is dead or in prison, there is now no chance that it will be its own state. Unless Hamas surrendered and accepts their sentences under the law, it will be at least four or five years of martial law while Israel rebuilds the housing and infrastructure. And let me break the news to you now and you’ll be able to look back and remember this moment when you realize that not only will Israel do so with broad international support, nobody is going to miss Hamas. And that was my original point: it’s the decisions Hamas made that caused Gaza to become, at best, a failed state that does not and will not for the foreseeable future have the capacity to rebuild or govern. Irredentism is now literally the only option the international community will accept.
Ok but was the “they” the Palestinians or just some members of a terrorist group? Should we assume they are all the same as you do? Or should we look at reality?
Broad international support??? Where???
Always has been, ever since the UN partitioned Palestine without input from the Palestinians:
Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.
Zionists are no different than white nationalists.
Ethno-fascists don't have a place in the modern world and zionists have been given a pass for way too long. They're not victims, they are perpetrators.
Remember the Orwell quote: all animals were equal but some were more equal than others.
All socialists were equal but some (mod: national) more than others.
All semites are equal but some (mod: jews) more than others.
Israel needs to be rolled up into a US style constitutional federation that protects Palestineans and Israelis from each other. 2 state solution only perpetuates apartheid. For any lasting solution to work it will take a 3 state solution in which one of those states interfaces with both sub-states.
Hamas and their supporters are actually ethnifascists.