return2ozmaOklahoma banned trans students from bathrooms. Now a bullied student is dead
SpaceNoodleAll part of their plan.
Seraph"Fuck them kids" -Republicans
You’ve got Matt Gaetz’s attention.
HegarYep, inevitable and intended consequences.
Don’t want to be born? TOO BAD!
TetraYou'll get called dramatic for saying that but Republicans are absolutely eyeing a form of trans genocide; removing access to treatment and creating as hostile and dangerous an environment for trans people. They want us to disappear.
100% trans genocide is the point.
I’m just some cis dude but I’m in your corner bro/sis/enby buddy ❤️
And my axe.
KaityThank you <3
It’s infuriating and scary they way it feels most people miss that, I just want to live my life, maybe even love it. But with the billionaires on one hand and the bigots on the other it’s really hard on so many levels. There’s an element of fear and uncertainty in my home and I am sure in many others. The fear of self sustainability, looming threats of homelessness and poverty if there is anything to disrupt our productivity for the owning class along with making decisions based on when, not if, unjust laws are passed that threaten our very existence. Saving and moving house, trying to get to a point where we eventually live in a northern haven isn’t a retirement prospect, a grasp for opportunity, or a change of scenery, it’s a requirement to make sure we can continue the being alive part.
Sometimes it is hard when the future seems so bleak and I spend so much of my time barely keeping my head above water, having a seemingly lofty goal as a near necessity. This society is a fucking joke, but at least there are people, like you, in our corner. Hopefully in time things can unshittify but things are getting bad, fast, at the moment.
At the same time, I can’t help but feel so incredibly lucky despite everything, There are people facing harsher systemic difficulties, less access to opportunity, and harsher local conditions. Despite everything I’m alive, I’m here now, and it makes me angry, and sad, that people like Nex are forced to end the fight so early due to heartless politicians and their base of vultures.
it’s been brutal lately
No disagreement here. I don’t like that “savior” stereotype but IDK I hope it helps to see someone outside the affected groups just agree that yes, it is a load of hyper bullshit and no you’re not fucking crazy.
Y’all keep fighting, and I’ll keep getting in trouble in my Bible belt dive bars for telling people they can eat my whole ass for saying dumbass shit.
You aren’t being dramatic as long as there are shamans all minorities are targets. We know exactly what Abrahamic theocracies are like.
Teenage girls are psychotic, getting into fights with a trans kid and beating them to a pulp. How many psychotically violent teens are in schools?
magnetosphereAll of them. Some are better at self control, but none of us were sane.
Seriously. How can anyone expect us to be when our skull meatballs were still congealing?
FuglyDuckI’m sure every American here has stories. The only reason I and my friends were never bullied much was early on in 6th grade, I stuffed a jock into their locker.
The thing was he was trying to stuff a friend of mine in a locker; with his coach as hall monitor (“boys will be boys,”).
For the record the only thing that I could get to fit was his head and shoulders. Also, the fire dept was breaking out the jaws of life when the lunch lady showed up with bacon grease… so he spent the first ten or so minutes of every class trying to make shit up about that… while everyone knew.
Edit to clarify: this isn’t to detract how awful this is, and from trans hate. Just pointing out bullying in schools has been a thing since long before I was in school; and it’s gotten worse. Schools are underfunded, under staffed and over stuffed (with students.); and that’s entirely by design. If “normal” people have stories… I shudder to think of what that kid and other trans kids have to go through.
Did the lunch lady look like this? And was there a Scottish groundskeeper there as well?
I mean… Its been a few decades, but i do seem to recall that yes, one of the lunchladies did in fact look like that… It was a large school (actually, two large schools, the kitchen served both a middle school and high school.) and had the kitchen and staffing to go with it.
she was also incredibly grumpy.
to be fair, I would be grumpy too if I had to deal with shitty kids bitching about food all day long. though in my defense, they sorted lunches by last name, and I was always in the last lunch of the day… meaning that we always got the leftovers from the previous lunch cycles.
I find it hard to believe he got stuck that badly.
A lot. I may not have been aware that I was trans back when I was a kid but growing up became a very lonely existence once girls and boys isolated themselves into their little tribes. When the siloing process sticks you with a peer group that implicitly knows you to be an ill fit and even when you try to get along your brain doesn’t register that gendered sense of “this is a person who acts and thinks like me” you don’t as a habit really make very close friends.
Kids are very good at forming hardcore social bonds where they let their sense of individual identity slip in favor of their group. While I didn’t experience trans hate growing up directly persay being placed in situations where you just can’t make decent bonds tends to make you an easy target for being ripped to shreds as somebody else’s exercise of building pack solidarity. It takes very little for children to find justification to be violent.
girlfreddyOwasso PD spokesperson Nick Boatman told The Independent that police were awaiting the results of toxicology and autopsy reports from the Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s Office before determining whether anyone will be charged.
Ofc cops want a toxicology report on the victim instead of the perpetrators.
ACAB
Yes, that's kind of how an investigation works you dingbat.
Not really, but do go on with your transphobic remarks.
Yes, fuckwit, toxicology reports are part and parcel of FUCKING EVERY INVESTIGATION involving an autopsy.
You have no fucking clue if this person was poisoned. You have no clue if they were forced to ingest medications against their will. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE HOW THEY ACTUALLY DIED.
Which is why an actual fucking professional that isn't a reactionary online cockmongrel does an investigation INCLUDING A FUCKING TOXICOLOGY REPORT.
If you want to accuse me of being transphobic while you yourself are a goddamn moron, FUCK YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN FOOT, YOU IGNORANT CUNT.
Was gonna upvote, but you really went overboard with the insults there so I had to upvote twice
TrickDacyLol, cockmongrel
Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?
It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.
I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.
Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.
that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.
Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.
Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.
Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell
Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!
Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.
As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic or at best inconsiderate.
The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police
No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.
He might have not meant it that way,
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.
Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.
I’m not calling anybody anything, I’m criticizing a behavior. And someone called the comment transphobic, not the poster.
So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.
It’s about how fascist strategy works. And part of that is an appeal to order for the moderates. This book (excepts) talks a lot about this stuff.
This is a life-or-death fight against fascism. Literally in this case. But the fascists won’t stop with trans people.
There is a very clear fascist movement that is rapidly growing in strength in the US. First the rhetoric, the attacks on teachers, the bullying, then physical violence, the maliciousness or incompetence of the school, now a 16 year old kid is dead. Then the police are waiting and then say her sudden death had nothing to do with the attack.
Maybe the police is right? Or maybe they are biased or maybe they are fascist?
Reading all this makes people sad and angry they criticizes the police.
Now someone calls him a dingbat for jumping to conclusions.
His remarks (not the person) are being called out as transphobic.
And THAT enrages you THAT creates this outrage in you of how awful it is to get angry at people who push back against outrage at the police. Not the death, not the police makes you angry, but this incredibly injustice! This is what you chose to make comments about.
It’s the presumption that the police system works as intended and should work like this and shouldn’t be criticized. Coupled with an insult. It’s outrageous. I’m not calling it transphobic, I’m calling it the “negative peace” that moderates prefer (see MLK about white moderates) and works in support of fascism.
What part of what they said is transphobic?
OH NOW YOU TOO HUH
/s
It’s funny, because I literally just left a thread in which I was agreeing with them and then I saw the notification of your comment.
Flying SquidWhen did ‘dingbat’ become transphobic?
Has ‘dingbat’ become a new epithet for trans people?
Because it apparently originally was the name of an alcoholic drink and has been used to describe a stupid person since 1905.
www.etymonline.com/word/dingbat
Care to tell us where you heard that the word was transphobic?
It’s also a style of architecture: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat_(building)
That’s unfortunate for the small local music and dive bar near me called dingbatz then…
Maybe it’s named after the printer’s ornament?
BricriuIf it’s in Clifton, those guys support white power bands 😕
It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.
Yeah, it’s definitely not as widely-known a thing as it should be. Plenty of perfectly respectable bands play there too, still… but also some Nazis
Impressive amount of downvotes. Troll successful, I guess
GladiusBIf you left out calling them a dingbat your point is exactly the same.
gAlienLifeformTransphobic shit bags are seeking out stories about Nex and seeing what they can get away with because they know it’s a really good opportunity for them to grind salt into some peoples’ wounds
Once again. Calling people names don’t reinforce your point. It usually does the opposite. Your anger doesn’t make your point more poignant.
Your politeness doesn’t make you more right.
I’m not saying anything other that calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything. I have zero contempt for anyone holding anyone back from who they are. I am literally not on any side and simply pointing out that calling people names does not seem mature and puts people off. If you can’t handle that feedback that is your problem.
To be fair, according to the article, the victim collapsed and stopped breathing the day after the altercation, probably leading them to believe they might have taken some substance subs then that could’ve caused this.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do a toxicology test.
If someone hits their head and then goes to sleep;
That’s so commonly known as being a cause of death, that it’s even featured in nursery rhymes from centuries ago.
Doing a tox screen on Nex’s body is reasonable, if only to eliminate a theory a defense attorney would try to argue to a jury. Waiting for the results of that tox screen to decide whether or not a crime took place and start making arrests when we already have plenty of evidence to say that they were assaulted and it’s only unclear whether that assault was the cause of their death is what doesn’t make any sense.
lazynoobletMind. Blown.
This would infer the hospital missed a brain bleed/concussion/or some other head trauma.
There’s also no info about the fight or who started it or anything else, but I’d imagine a toxicology report would be done on any 16 year old that dropped dead for nearly any unknown reason.
You know, sometimes you ACAB people are just ax annoying as the bootlickers
Everyone knows being distrustful of authority is the same thing as actively endorsing fascism.
Yes that’s why the saying goes: “Pine for authoritarian strongmen” and not: “Question authority” or some shit.
Testing the other kids for what? An overdose of “fight in the girls bathroom” meds? Make some sense.
It is very disgusting to see.
Yeah… sounds like Oklahoma.