@HeavenlyPossum @rameshgupta @AlliFlowers @QasimRashid @pewnack Actually, he said when asked it was "one of the possibilities" and got critizised and suspended over it. So its not the line of the government. Nor the population. Though having these stupidly cruel extremist as part of the goverment is a hugh problem.

Meanwhile hamas government program is genocidal, its actions are genocidal. It employs systematic rape and targeted killing of babies. Genocidal actions are praised and not punished

@billiglarper @AlliFlowers @rameshgupta @QasimRashid @pewnack

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel have separately advocated for ethnically cleansing Gaza. Gamliel’s ministry circulated a paper on expelling the population of Gaza into the Sinai desert.

@HeavenlyPossum @AlliFlowers @rameshgupta @QasimRashid @pewnack No, it was a leaked single-author draft from inside the Intelligence ministry, wasn't it? Not a government position or even a proposal? Meanwhile Bibi and a lot of other government officials made it clear that they are opposed to an Israeli occupation of Gaza. They could be lying, of course. But what are the indicators for that?

To me, it looks like you are cherry-picking your facts to support your worldview and focus.

@AlliFlowers @rameshgupta @billiglarper @QasimRashid @pewnack

Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter said that Israel is “rolling out the Gaza Nakba.”

@HeavenlyPossum

And here's the complete quote:

"Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter (Likud) was asked in a news interview on Saturday whether the images of northern Gaza Strip residents evacuating south on the IDF’s orders are comparable to images of the Nakba. He replied: “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba. From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war – as the IDF seeks to do in Gaza – with masses between the tanks and the soldiers.”"

@billiglarper

That’s not any better.

MK Revital Gotliv:

“Topple buildings!! Bomb unconsciously!! Stop with this impotence. You have [the] ability. There is wall-to-wall international legitimacy! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time there is no room for mercy!”

@HeavenlyPossum It makes quite a difference. And kollektiva.social gives you the characters to give a proper quote. Yet you chose to distort it.

That's even without considering basics of political communication. A politician wanting to do something doesn't mean they have the power to do so. And politicians stating an intent doesn't necessarily mean they are sincere about it.

There's little truth when you downplay Hamas enacting genocide on all levels, yet generalize every Israeli fringe idiot.

@billiglarper

I have not downplayed Hamas’ violence; the people I am citing are not fringe idiots; Israeli officials at every level of the state have been explicit about their intent and open about their actions, and all these quote reveal an atmosphere in which all these officials expect no reproach for calling for genocide.

Col. Yogev Bar-Shesht, deputy head of the Civil Administration:

“Whoever returns here, if they return here after, will find scorched earth. No houses, no agriculture, no nothing. They have no future.”

MK Zvi Sukkot:

“A picture of victory is Nakba. A Nakba in Gaza. Something very unambiguous, [that will make it] very clear that you don’t mess with the state of Israel.”

MK Yitzhak Kroizer:

“The Gaza Strip must be flattened…. It’s not a matter of [using] an atom bomb, I think Minister Eliyahu had a very clear message: Gaza has to be wiped off the map, in order to send a message to all our enemies and those who seek us harm…. In Gaza, we have to be clear, there are no innocent [civilians]. There are no “uninvolved” people.”

Former head of National Security Council and Former Head of the Shin Bet’s Southern Region department, current head of the Misgav Institute, Meir Ben-Shabbat:

“The Israeli operation must turn Hamas’s surprise attack into a Nakba for Gaza. The IDF must crush Hamas, kill every member of the organisation and exterminate everything related to it. The pattern of surgical operations must be abandoned and we must say goodbye to practices like ‘knock on the roof’.”

@HeavenlyPossum Oh, you have. And the support for hamas violence in Gaza and elsewhere.🤷🏻‍♂️ You might even have made your arguments in good faith. I actually respect you trying to not generalize.

But it contrasts starkly with how you quote Mafdal assholes to me. They are 7 out of 120 KMs. And yes, them being part of government is bad.

And that goes even more so for "former somethings". Are they driving policy? Hardly.

@billiglarper

I have never once supported Hamas or its violence.

I will say this: I appreciate the insight into the mentality of someone willing to work so hard to apologize for horrific and inexcusable violence. There is no amount of explicit statements, no weight of evidence, that will convince you. Each piece of evidence is downplayed, diminished, excused, dismissed. The evidence just…doesn’t exist for you. It’s impressive.

@HeavenlyPossum @billiglarper This is settled now. On incitement, there already is a definitive determination that (a) these statements *are* incitement to genocide, (b) their content and sources establish plausible intent of state policy, and (c) they are sufficiently severe that they must be *punished* in order to be in compliance with the genocide convention. Since Friday, these are now established legal facts.

@billiglarper, you have to spend the rest of your life with the knowledge that you’re the kind of person who chose to be so blinded by racial supremacist bias that you tried to hand-wave away statements that are court-certified incitement to genocide. With the knowledge that your instinct is to treat Israelis as deserving reality-bending benefit of the doubt and impunity and Palestinians as not deserving equal protection of the law.

Live with that.