CashewNut 🏴So is the US slipping into Civil War?
AussiemandeusCertainly would be exciting as an Australian
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simpleIt would be rad for me too. I don’t wish harm to Americans of course, but I think it’s about time they start throwing hands instead of whining on the internet 24/7 about how much they hate eachother.
KecessaSeen from the outside and ignoring all the innocent people suffering, I would love one thing about the USA splitting up, it would be the perfect example of how shitty things can get when people don’t realize they live in locations that depend on the goodwill of more progressive locations. Split the USA like on OP’s map and just watch as the red part devolves into a third world country.
DarkNightoftheSoulSeems to be a distinct possibility. Posturing prior to the election, rattling sabers, they’re spoiling for a full-on shootin’ war contingent on losing the election, in my opinion.
I think the tactical nukes will slow their ambitions for another hundred or so years. We can’t take these posturing fools seriously.
We can’t take these posturing fools seriously
Have you just not been paying attention for the last…decade?
Yes, we absolutely should.
And yet, we must. Assume your enemy will lose, but prepare for them to win.
CorkyskogNo one is using a tactical nuke on US soil. We have enough conventional bombs to destroy ourselves anyway.
Tangentially related: mander.xyz/comment/7170064 that was after Jan. 6, and no we fucked around and didnt do any of this shit.
shortwavesurferThe US is the next empire to fall. I am a US citizen and i am taking steps to GTFO if needed. I have an e-residency and ID card from another nation and am working up to the investment for full citizenship.
I mean, the issue is that most of the rest of the so called free World (and in my opinion correctly so), especially Europe, depends on the US for defence, specially weapon production. Despite France constantly whining about it, insisting on strategic autonomy, as far as I am aware, when it comes to ammo production and air power, we very much depend on the US for production and designs (the design when it comes to aircraft)
The United States military should scale way back, but the European military would have to increase because of what you mentioned with designs for specialty weapons.
We have reasonable designs for almost all weapon categories, except maybe for airplanes, with the latest being the Eurofighter which is by now a bit dated. Regarding Tanks, the German Leopard is as far as I am aware a fine piece of engineering as well as the belgian FN-SCAR. However we lack the ammo capabilities (especially when it comes to artillery shells) to ever have hope of winning a protracted war (or simply keeping Ukraine alive). (also, quick side note, France also spends a great deal of money maintaining their own nuclear arsenal and weapons delivery system, which kinda makes the UK seem a bit puny with their dependence of the US for weapon delivery)
If the American empire falls, it’s not going to reduce weapons production or arms sales. Decline into fascism requires more guns and bullets, as they get turned against domestic targets, while guns and oil are among the US’s best sources of external currency.
Please explain the e-residency and id card thing. I’m in the red area and really really don’t want to be.
Oh, then the place I am looking at would definitely not work for you. I don’t think… Ever heard of Liberland?
Free Republic of Liberland
Free Republic of Liberland is a sovereign state located between Croatia and Serbia. It is a 7 km² land referred to as “Gornja Siga”. The founder and elected head of state is President Vit Jedlicka. Liberland is a constitutional republic with elements of direct democracy. The state has two Vice Presidents and 5 Ministers. The language is English. The Liberland merit is the currency of Liberland. The country's motto is: To live and let live.
Oh. Yeah. That’s gonna be a no from me dawg. Thank you for the reply though.
ForesterJust FYI, Estonia is a real country and also viable.
A country run on a blockchain. Fucking yikes. I think a “ship of fools” is putting it generously.
This reminds me of Auroville, a village in India that’s supposed to be an Utopia of socialism and new living. But when you look beyond the marketing and the veneer of spirituality, it’s just a bunch of people living in poverty and giving their money to a group of leeches.
LordThunder: “Fuck, I’m surrounded by Republicans! Where are you going? I’ll come with!”
Shortwavesurfer: 😬
Thank you for your indepth and insightful analysis. 👍
Eh. Something clearly needs to be done, and the concerns aren’t being addressed (and haven’t been for awhile). Congress and the senate haven’t done anything aside from attempt to impeach hunter Biden (from who knows what) or show off his dick.
Doubtful it’s any kind of civil war, but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government can’t (or won’t?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.
but Texas (and other states) is being hit hard by the number of immigrants, and if the federal government can’t (or won’t?) do anything to curb it, makes sense that they will do something on their own.
That’s the thing though, they aren’t. Things aren’t worse than they were, this is a manufactured crisis because Republicans need some kind of tangible policy to lie about to their voters for the upcoming election. Just like the immigrant caravan which disappeared as suddenly as it appeared (as in it never existed) the previous election.
I don’t think this is an accurate view of the current border situation, but it’s a view that one might have consuming media from a different kind of media bubble than the Fox News kind.
There really is a situation with migrants who cross the river illegally and immediately turn themselves in and claim asylum. This isn’t a new situation, but the numbers have gotten worse over the last year.
The migrant caravans, plural, really did and do exist. What tends to happen is they gather into thousands strong mass marches in and around Tapachula, after crossing from Guatemala to Mexico. So these big marches start towards the US in southern Mexico, but they tend to break up and thin out over the 1800 mile journey to Texas.
If anyone could organize a mass foot march over the whole distance, that would be an extremely impressive feat of logistics. But that hasn’t happened yet.
Conclusions: this border situation is not completely made up. Many right wing conspiracies going around have some kind of kernel of truth to then.
And some mainstream media outlets (I have this experience with NPR in particular) have started to seemingly impose total blackouts on not just the conspiracy ideas, but also on the little nuggets of true news that get them started.
Just like in Europe, to say there is no problem with migration is false, but to present it as an existential problem for the country or even the state is ridiculous. Starting a civil war over ‘nuggets’ of truth seems pretty dang evil.
Yup! Thank you. It’s not as big as it’s being made out to be (obviously people trying to get political points), but it’s still an issue that does need to be addressed, and it is disproportionately effecting some more than others. No one is going to start at civil war over something like this.
Can you share the numbers you’re referencing? What were the numbers like before they got worse, what are they like now?
Yeah, no. This is still an entirely manufactured crisis. Even if what you’re claiming is really happening, it’s still being framed as a problem, which it’s not.
Our colonialist pearl-clutching over the southern border has got to stop. It’s fucked up that you’re perpetuating this brand of fascism.
I appreciate hearing a differing view from my own here, genuinely.
I listen to NPR frequently and I have heard many segments about the border and especially asylum seekers.
npr.org/…/migrants-u-s-southern-border-historic-n…
npr.org/…/immigration-border-election-presidentia…
I see this a lot, “the liberal media doesn’t want you to know!” or “why isn’t anyone talking about this!” meanwhile everyone including the lefty sources are indeed talking about it.
The problem is, only one party wants to do anything to actually ease the crisis. Republicans are a half step away from suggesting land mines at the border because trying to escape to the land of the free for a better life is illegal, and that apparently should mean death for you.
Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
The federal government is doing things. The lying Anus governor of Texas is pretending they aren’t because it gets him good boy points with his mob.
I never understood why Republicans hate immigrants. Low educated labor that is highly religious. And if crimes are committed, these people can fuel the incarceration complex America has as well.
It’s red meat for the base. The corporate overlords who fund the republican party love the cheap labor they can exploit, and they love it even more because the republican party ‘otherizing’ the illegal immigrants gets them all sorts of leverage they can use against said labor, since the populace won’t care what happens to them.
These are all reasons why they actually enjoy immigration. As a hot-button topic, this has paid out endlessly and will continue to because there’s no way immigration will be solved peacefully. So they get the fearmongering and political outrage out of it, in addition to cheap labor, and bogeymen to pin rape/violence on as well. They’re the perfect target for them to hate, and they love to hate. Nothing gets an old Republican fired up like illegal Mexicans coming here with their guns and drugs and taking our jobs and sending all the money back home and raping our daughters (“well not my daughter, but y’know” ) and bringing caravans more of em in their wake
Same. Tons of hard working people that do a lot behind the scenes. But South Park probably got it right with ‘they took errr jerbs!’ Jobs they wouldn’t do themselves anyway.
Republican voters hate immigrants. It’s a target the GOP can point at while knowing the flow of cheap labor will continue from increasing desperation all while they “heroically fight at the border”.
Hal-5700XNo, Tim Pool.
I dunno who that is, sorry. :/
Good, he isn’t worth the attention.
I can’t wait!
He probably lives in an area where he wouldn’t be impacted too much and/or from a demographic that wouldn’t be directly persecuted.
I’m terrified by the thought, on behalf of myself and others.
Look how the military treated people in Iraq. Wait until the National Guard gets more involved.
Joel? Is that you?
There is a fine limit on malarky, upon exceeding their malarky quota we glass texas.
What do you mean?
Are you Joel? I know you!
From where?
It’s me Joel!! Don’t you recognise me?
From the restaurant.
That#'s right! You remembered. From the restaurant in town. How are you?
Good. How is Ellen?
ZoboomafooLook how the military treated people in Iraq
Better than the police treats people in the US?
Weak king, so the local lords smell the opportunity to gain power, tale as old as time.