>The “Genocide Joe” shit is so obviously right wing astroturfing I legitimately cannot read it without imagining trump sitting at a computer typing with his index fingers.

got some evidence for this accusation?

The chance isn’t just slim. It’s astronomical.

The chance of Cornell West winning is probably smaller than a bit-flip happening, switching your vote to another candidate. That’s how little chance your vote would have to make the country a better place.

On the other hand, every vote not casted for the only viable non-Trump candidate helps Trump.

I’m European and would love for you to have the option to vote for proper social democrats or greens (especially greens!). But please, every US citizen needs to do their part to not get fascists get hold of your country.

It’s sad to say, but if you don’t vote for the democratic candidate, you might not have a chance to vote 3rd party in 4 years. (I don’t like fear mongering, but it’s a real enough possibility)

How many people need to explain to you that this is NOT how it works? I’ve done it- others have done it. And you just report them and move on.

You can’t be this stubborn to not accept when you’re wrong, can you?

I’ll explain it again:

A vote for Biden cancels a vote for Trump. As we know, Trump’s loyalists will show up in droves to support their dictator. If you do ANYTHING outside of voting for the one person that stands a chance to beat him- you’re throwing away a vote and allowing a vote for Trump to be counted unchallenged.

We alll know Biden sucks. But so does a total loss of democracy. And that’s what you’re looking at. I’ve lost family over this. I’m blacklisted from ever speaking to actual family members because I won’t support Trump.

THIS is what you’re up against. Now is NOT the time to take a stand against single issue agendas.

Vote like your freedom is at stake. Because it Is.

>If you do ANYTHING outside of voting for the one person that stands a chance to beat him- you’re throwing away a vote and allowing a vote for Trump to be counted unchallenged.

wrong. I'm voting for cornel west, a different candidate. they aren't allowed to just throw out votes.

A vote for West does nothing, and means nothing if you’re in a safe Red or a safe Blue state. Safe states are going Trump or Biden regardless of who you personally vote for.

In a SWING state, your vote does make a difference and voting for West is a lost vote. Congratulations on helping Trump win if you’re in a swing state.

West will not win any election, so any vote for him is a vote thrown away.

Elections are won by 50%+1. Anything that takes away from a legitimate candiate reaching 50%+1 actively hurts that campaign, it’s not helping someone whose support sits in the margin of error.

>West will not win any election

you can't prove this.

Sure I can. The most successful 3rd party candidate we ever had was Ross Perot in 1992. He got just under 19% of the total vote and won exactly 0 elections.

West is nowhere NEAR the level Perot was at in 1992.

West is running a FRACTION of Perots nunbers in '92, Perot won zero elections… It’s basic math at this point.

But if you want HARD evidence… Since leaving the Green party back in October, the only state where he has qualified for the ballot is Alaska.

www.cornelwest2024.com/alaska

So he hasn’t even gained ballot access in enough states to earn 270 electoral college votes. He likely won’t even be on the ballot in your state.

that's not proof that he won't win.

even if you could provide that (which you can't because it's impossible to have proof about the future), if he is on my ballot i will be voting for him.

if he's not, i might write him in, or just vote for jill, who i am sure will be there.

Follow the logic… you need 270 electoral college votes to win. West is on the ballot in ONE state with a total of 3.

It’s not that he won’t win, he quite literally CANNOT win.

that's conjecture, not proof.

hey, as an aside, i don't think the mastodon-to-lemmy dms work, but do you think you can do something about the personal attacks (ad hominem, poisoning the well (which is a form of ad hominem), and name-calling) in this thread?

It’s mathematical proof. West is not on the ballot in enough states to win. It’s a fact from West’s own campaign site.

Now, they could spend the next 10 months trying to get on the ballot in enough states to win, but that takes away from actual campaigning.

Currently, he can’t win. If he spends 10 months to get on the ballot in enough states, he will have burned time, energy and money getting on the ballot instead of campaigning meaning he still can’t win.

What you need to decide is if you want Biden, or Trump. Of those two, neither is really close to West, but a Trump victory would mean you will never see a candidate like West ever again.

I have to say I am very uncomfortable with you moderating this community and also participating in spreading partisan propaganda.

I feel like you are spreading misinformation, and that alone is a rule violation.

It’s not partisan propaganda to call out a fringe candidate for being a fringe candidate. As soon as West dropped out of the Green party, he became a fringe candidate.

But I’ll make you a deal… Forget winning. If West breaks 10% in any state Presidential election, I’ll donate $1,000 to the candidate of your choice. $100 a point. Seems fair, right?