"Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust of Microsoft."

They forgot to continue: "… the warmth and humanity of the Emperor Dalek, Donald Trump's humility, Elon Musk's quiet egalitarianism, and ChatGPT's searing truthfulness and insight."

@cstross

I have "technology" which can run Chrome but not Edge.

@cstross I didn't know unreliability could be squared but they went and did it anyway.

@cstross

Microsoft trusts this to do what they want, not what the user wants.

@dashdsrdash @cstross Almost weekly it tries to fool me into changing my settings to "recommended" settings with no way to disable these obtrusive alerts (it is not my primary but I open it to use any Microsoft product).

@tealcows @dashdsrdash @cstross

Edge will occasionally change my search to Bing without asking me. It asks too, but I always say no.

Sadly Edge's verticle tab organization is better than any other browser so I keep using it.

@varpness @tealcows @dashdsrdash @cstross Arc does it best on the Mac, and it’s rolling out to Windows too. It’s a nice browser, honestly.

@yaygya @tealcows @dashdsrdash @cstross

I actually just discovered #Sidebery for #Firefox and it is SO good! It's actually better than Edge's vertical tabs. I DID have to implement a light CSS hack to get the top horizontal tab bar to disappear, which is a bit frustrating. Did you hear that, Firefox? You need an easy way to hide the tab bar OR at least allow plugins to hide it.

@cstross

Microsoft Edge; a heady mix of Google evilness with the technical prowess of the company that made Internet Explorer 6 and the plagiarism and dodgy knowledge supplied by OpenAI.

@cstross
"We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the Phone Company."
@cstross By that logic, I'd absolutely like my browser to have trusted contributions from Palantir, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, British American Tobacco & the Build-A-Bear Workshop
@mattbee @cstross googled Build-a-Bear in the news and this is not what I expected
@cstross Trust has to be earned.
@cstross Trust can be negative, so the math checks out.
@cstross
That sentence means that Microsoft trusts Google, not that you the consumer/user trust Microsoft. "Trust" there is a noun, kind of like the sizzle on the burger.

@cstross this isn't quite right, in terms of the technology involved.

Edge is built on the Chromium open source project, which is a rendering engine used in Chrome, Brave, Edge, Opera and others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)

"The Chromium browser codebase is widely used, so others have made important contributions, most notably Microsoft, Igalia, Yandex, Intel, Samsung, LG, Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave." It's not a vehicle for Google's Corporate Evildoing™ by any means and think that's important.

Chromium (web browser) - Wikipedia

@cstross It is an old code but it checks out.
@cstross There must be some Palpatine in it, too.
@cstross Google is just the aspiring student here. Anything you can accuse Google of, Microsoft had invented, already done and perfected. By their lead, they're likely the reason why all tech is abusive garbage. There is no 'trust' here, that's just the impression their marketing department wants to leave you with.
@cstross
Good god, I can't believe anyone reads that without hearing a disarmingly wet-and-close sinister growl that raise the hairs down the back of your neck.
@cstross at least there is no track record of selling out our userdata at microsoft! so yes google < microsoft

@cstross

Irony is a great quality ;)

@cstross Trust, Microsoft...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@cstross

I like how they fucked up on making a browser so bad for so many years that now they have to put a pop-up to say "It's okay, we barely even made this thing!"

@cstross
"added trust" can be a negative scalar, right?
@cstross help I rolled my eyes so hard at that popup that they got stuck, all I can see is the top of my brain
@cstross You really shouldn't be using either of these two.
@cstross It's like the description of Washington DC as "Southern efficiency and Northern charm."
@cstross Is there's still anyone alive who trusts Microsoft?

@cstross Which "trust"? To receive additional "telemetry" which "improves" my user experience? Additional spyware? Unwanted remote-backups?

Very strange popup indeed 😅

@cstross

"Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome..."

PASS!!!!

@cstross Okay cause I read it as "thrust" misspelled.

@cstross
If you're still using chrome and you feel like you have moral superiority over those using edge you're a fool

Firefox or bust

@MediaCover I said chromium, not chrome. (Hint: the open source distribution stripped of the google trackers and proprietary shit.)
@cstross @MediaCover yes, but still. This comforts a kind of monopoly of the engine that the supposed technical advantages (not sure of that) don't justify. Disclaimer: I used Mozilla 0.8 when the web was "build for IE".
@cstross I think I'm gonna be sick
@cstross What is Edge? What is Chrome? The software I am using uses "serious" names like @firefox, @librewolf etc.
@cstross
what I read: not just Google is violating your rights, also Microsoft
@cstross This series of pop-ups was one of the most insecure corporate behaviour I have ever seen. Nauseating.

@cstross

And (without some pretty serious speleology into the settings) the "new" MS Teams app overrides default browser settings so you always get sent to Edge.

And as a special bonus, it now opens all MS Office documents via the browser (i.e. by default launches Edge) rather than keeping them quarantined inside the terrible app.

@cstross "I think I am actually humble. I think I'm much more humble than you would understand." (DJT)

@cstross again with the "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE YOU OUR WEB BROWSER ALREADY???"

We DO use it, ONCE, to install chrome, thats why you put the messages in it to give it a chance first.

@cstross Well, they're not wrong, at this point I think I trust Microsoft more than I do Google.

That said, Edge still only exists to download Firefox when I have to use a Windows system and have the freedom to install an alternate browser.

@cstross I used edge recently, I trusted it...to download chrome...

I suppose 'trust' in terms of strict definition is just to have a firm belief in the ability, truth or reliability. Doesn't need to be positive. I have a firm belief in Microsoft's ability and reliability. I trust them to make a balls up of <insert MS product>

(Oh and note to firefoxers, I know, but Google already knows everything about me anyway, well maybe not based on the adverts they think I'd be interested in but y'know)

@cstross Lately I've been looking at Windows and what it has evolved into and thinking it's got as many acronyms as Big Blue and getting anything done in PowerShell needs as much keyboard exercise as one got with VMS DCL. (The underlying NT kernel is a lot like VMS too, which I know from having worked on an NFS client for it in the late 90s.) Read, it's the Proprietary OS Elephant in the room.

@cstross "The added trust of Microsoft" is precisely why I will never be touching Edge.

Same deal with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux): Why would I pay to take your shitty version hacked up by numbskulls when I can have the real thing for free?

@cstross
Salt and pepper as you prefer
@cstross yes, instead of calling home to Google, it's calling home to Microsoft, not sure trust is better
@cstross if you use Windows you already implicitly trust Microsoft
@me No: quite probably your employer trusts Microsoft: your opinion under such circumstances is irrelevant.
@cstross then they also get to decide which browsers are you allowed to run
@cstross "Browse securely" (rofl)
That's Microsoft Security. Like real security but without the Secure part.
Not that I'd voluntarily use Chrome either, I hasten to add.