abolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 3, 2024

As a detour to https://eupolicy.social/@Veza85UE/111688177027828831 @Veza85UE 2.1.2024:
> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/the-versailles-declaration-10-11-03-2022/
I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.

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Attached: 1 image @abolitionniste@bagarrosphere.fr Sure, agreed. Apparently our governments also agreed to a bunch of stuff here, all the way back in March 2022. Everyone can go to their representative in the EUCO and ask them for updates maybe? https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/the-versailles-declaration-10-11-03-2022/

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Show threadabolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 7, 2024

>> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/the-versailles-declaration-10-11-03-2022/
> I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.

What is the 'legal status' of such 'declarations'?

For me with this 'declaration' with the words "informal meeting", the question is, what the legal status of this 'declaration' actually is. Somehow it seems to me, that it is neither part of 'legislating activity'(?) of the European Union, nor is it an "international treaty". It seems to me more like a "letter of intent" of the current rulers...

Show threadJordan Maris ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ #NAFOJan 7, 2024

@abolitionniste They have none. The European Council is, however, supposed to provide the Commission with guidelines on policy direction.

Essentially it is equivalent to a Resolution of Parliament, but for member states

Show threadel Celio ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆJan 7, 2024
@jmaris @abolitionniste if i'm not wrong, the guidelines for the Commission are the "conclusions" not the "declarations"
Show threadJordan Maris ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ #NAFOJan 7, 2024
@elCelio @abolitionniste officially, yes. But declarations still serve as de facto guidelines.
Show threadabolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 7, 2024

Would it be possible to separate clearly, what are (1) the 'formal'(?) rules and what are (2) 'informal' or 'de facto' 'influences' or 'guidelines' or 'directions'? I am confused ๐Ÿ™‚

Re all this 8 toots: https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=271#p271

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Show threadJordan Maris ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ #NAFOJan 7, 2024

@abolitionniste @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @pmroman @Veza85UE formal are legally recognised provisions of the treaties.

Informal are practices built around those provisions, but not formalised.

Show threadpmroman ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 8, 2024
@jmaris @abolitionniste @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE That's my understanding too.
Show threadabolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

Yes ๐Ÿ™‚

So formal is, for example, paragraph 1 of article 15 of #TEU https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A12016M015 :

> The European Council shall provide the Union with the necessary impetus for its development and shall define the general political directions and priorities thereof. It shall not exercise legislative functions.

Shall I study the Treaties or is some concise description of the roles of the Union Bodies available?

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Jan 8, 2024 at 10:14amWeb
Show threadJordan Maris ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ #NAFOJan 8, 2024

@abolitionniste @pmroman @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE honestly the issue with being concise in the EU is that involves leaving things out, the treaties are the best place to look.

What is not written: the European Council is also where important issues that could not be resolved in the Council of the European Union are resolved.

In fact, some (me) consider the EC to simply be a special configuration of the Council of the EU

Show threadabolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 8, 2024

Can't find what is "EC TL" ๐Ÿ™‚

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Show threadabolitionniste ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บJan 8, 2024

Well, #I understand that the 27 #StatesEU representatives in #EUCO want to control #MyEU. The powerful want more power or all power. And some people may go with it. May accept it as the only way. For #me , this is a wrong arrangement. Wrong concept. Let us think how #we change it by 12.12.2121 ๐Ÿ™‚

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