Quinn NortonWhat if we *did* actually medicalize hard right, racist, and conspiracy theory victims? Hating them and yelling hasn't really fixed the problems, so why not try science about it?
It is fascinating how many people read this an assumed it would require violent coercion. Woah, hold up, my dudes. If that's your first thought, you might *a little bit* be part of the problem.
rag. Gustavino BevilacquaWe need more hospitals, then.
@GustavinoBevilacqua honestly I suspect this is pretty safely outpatient, but we would need specialists.
Coach Pāṇini ®@quinn @GustavinoBevilacqua
This is the small army of social workers necessary to replace police departments.
This is the small army of social workers necessary to replace police departments.
I mean, that's kind of where I'm going, but a somewhat different case than that, and probably different intervention model.
The thing about European settler-colonialism is that it’s really adjacent to millennia of existing power structures.
In other cultures, it’s labeled #colorism.
It’s a zero-day flaw in human societies.
The existing systems and structures have been optimized one way for so long, that refactoring for a different set of #FirstPrinciples, use cases, and edge cases will require some #RadicalCollaboration with people and orgs who share values, but not the same space.
Walter van Holst@quinn There is a reflex in me that starts yelling about the Soviet Union doing similar things...
Aphrodite (recharging)other than how there’s a history of repressive regimes using psych in particular to “deprogram” people you are correct.
derad is based on science ;)
@Aphrodite I'd say no, it was mainly based on junk science, and used coercively, generally programs works a lot better when they work cooperatively with community needs, not using things like police powers.
base difference between deprogramming and deradicalization is deprog dehumanizes subjects similar to how cult recruitment does and derad has absolute respect for humanity and agency of those who seek the help.
@Aphrodite right here you're assuming the inventions should be one on one, but where's the evidence? we have done *none* of this research.
theoretical background:
one who can be convinced to dehumanize one person can be convinced to dehumanize all humans including self.
for one to deradicalize, one must acknowledge, believe, and conscientiously live the concept that all humans are equally human.
this usually is facilitated by a cultist acknowledging one they are indoctrinated to believe an enemy is not their enemy, even if an adversary, and does not want them dead even if the cult says otherwise.
tatzelbrumm… and whom would you want to entrust with the decision who needs to be medicalized?
The New York Times editorial board??
Do you think they wouldn't gleefully repeat historical precedent???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
On a loosely related subject, aren't hard right, racist, and other various and sundry conspiracy theories the result of medicalization with OxyContin etc.????
@tatzelbrumm I don't think I'd trust any medical standards set by the NYT ed board, and while I may not love them, I'm confident in saying they wouldn't either.
There are many mental illnesses that used to be just considered evil, like bipolar and schizophrenia. Dissociative states used to be treated by beating people to death, turning them out into the wilderness, or imprisoning/killing them. We correctly see that as barbarous now.
@quinn
I wouldn't trust anyone's standards whom to medicalize for holding politically inopportune opinions
to have anything to do with medical standards.
This would work more like an Awareness Concept:
anything that deviates from a very narrow interpretation of a socially constructed in-group feeling
(thinking, let alone scientific reasoning, has very little to do with it)
will be considered pathological, and either ostracized or medicalized,
with pathology-by-association
(like, being on speaking terms with weev) running rampant.
Beware the Aware!
It's bad enough that they get to make decisions who's in or out of their jealously gated in-group.
They should never get anywhere near making decisions who needs to be medicalized for deviationism from their socially constructed narrow view of reality.
As for dissociative folks, nowadays, you turn them into wifi-cables.
But this must also not be mentioned, because such a transmogrification for the better ("E PLVRIBVS VNVM") is specifically intended to prove that the common Awareness Concepts in the hacker community are, to put it mildly, complete BS.
@tatzelbrumm and I have no idea what you mean by that Oxy thing, but opioids don't so anything like that, that's so wrong I don't even know what to say to it. That's like pizzagate weird.
@quinn
At least in the US and A, there appears to be an epidemic of drug abuse, see, e.g.,
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db356.htm
i.e., to deal with increasingly unbearable living conditions, people seek escape by consuming mind altering substances.
It's
#HaHaOnlySerious
to assume that consumption of mind altering substances isn't just correlated with, but actually causes people to hold and express opinions that make them look like they've lost their mind.
Greetings from The Outside of the Asylum.
@tatzelbrumm dude, i come from a family of american addicts. mom was a heroin junky, dad had a crack jones, and both of them drank like fish. diseases haven't got shit to do with your personal politics. they're diseases.
also there's epidemics of addiction all over the world, and that's not even slightly new.