@liquor_american nope!

This is about the future, preventing voters from voting their choices on future ballots, not about the past.

@chrisgeidner

@volkris @chrisgeidner You see, what you're suggesting would actually violate the US Constitution, specifically Amendment XIV Section 3.

Please allow me to do the very tiny amount of work for you that you seem unable or unwilling to do for yourself:

@liquor_american The thing is, even if this is legal and correct and even moral or any standard of propriety that you would like to propose, it still does mean people can’t vote for the candidate they want.

Even if it is entirely proper to throw out that democratic process, it still has to be owned that the democratic process is being thrown out.

No matter how correct this may be, it does mean people aren’t able to vote for the candidate they want to vote for on the ballots.

And owning that might be part of emphasizing how important it is that this be done. It’s reasonable to say that this is so important that we have to throw out democratic principles for the sake of keeping Trump off the ballot.

Fine.

It means that is just this important.

@chrisgeidner

@volkris @chrisgeidner What are you even talking about?

No state owes it to an insurrectionist to include his name on their ballot. Idiots with fucked-up ideas can still write him in if they want. That ought to satisfy you, right?

Or do you actually have some other problem you're not being forthcoming with?

@liquor_american nope, just stating it plainly.

Keeping a major candidate off the ballot means an interruption of the democratic process.

You might say that no state owes it to anybody to support the free vote, and you may say that it’s absolutely worth it to interfere with it, and keep Trump off the ballot, and that’s fine.

But it’s worth it to own what’s going on here.

If it’s so important to keep Trump off the ballot that the democratic process should be subverted like this, well then let’s own that, and let’s say clearly that it’s so important to keep Trump away that we are willing to interfere with the voting process.

If that’s your position, great!

@chrisgeidner

@volkris @liquor_american @chrisgeidner ohhh you’re worried about interrupting the democratic process, huh?

You know what else interrupts the democratic process? An attempted coup. Fake electors. Wrongly claiming widespread voter fraud. Partnering with violent hate groups to interrupt the electoral process.

Excluding Trump is *preverving* the democratic process, you doob.

@DMTea worried? Nope!

I am not at all worried.

I mean, I’m not in favor of keeping voters from voting, but this is up to the individual state. If Colorado wants to restrict its voters from voting, well, that’s up to them.

But at the least we need to all recognize what we are doing and own it.

@liquor_american @chrisgeidner

@volkris @liquor_american @chrisgeidner you keep saying voters won’t be able to vote, though any voter can write in any name.

You really have zero understanding how anything you’re talking about works, huh.

Weird random internet person is so sad DaddyTrump won’t be on a ballot 😭

@DMTea I mean I’m not going to put for Trump and so that doesn’t impact me.

But I do think it is concerning to strike a major candidate from the ballot.

@liquor_american @chrisgeidner

@volkris @liquor_american @chrisgeidner is as concerning to you as that same candidate affecting a coup and attempting to derail democracy?

Your “concern” is really stupidly one-dimensional.

@DMTea The idea that Trump ever attempted a coup is just plain stupid and based on a complete lack of understanding of how the US government functions.

I mean the attack on the capital was on the wrong branch of government for god’s sake.

But just setting that frustration aside, I really don’t care who you guys are voting for, but I am going to point out that if you interrupt voting for Trump then you are interrupting democracy, interrupting the democratic process.

I don’t care how ignorant you might be about how the US government works, I don’t care how ignorant you might be about basic notions of civics, you do what you’re going to do, but let’s just be abundantly clear:

If you prevent people from voting for Trump then you are preventing voting and you are standing in the way of the democratic process.

Maybe that’s for the best. Maybe democracy is stupid. Maybe we should not let people vote for who they want to vote for. That’s fine. If that’s what you want to believe that’s fine.

But own it.

@liquor_american @chrisgeidner

@volkris @liquor_american @chrisgeidner

Ah here it is. You could just admit you’re a shill/rube/bad actor from the beginning and saved everyone your bullshit lmao

Of course Trump attempted a coup, and of course you are a MAGApede defending SprayTan Mussolini.

You could have just told everyone you’re a fascist up front and saved us all a bunch of time.

@DMTea Yeah I could have admitted all of that, if it was true, but it isn’t, but you know you assume what you’re going to assume.

This is social media after all.

I’m under no particular misbelief that folks posting things like yours are interested in reasonable discussion.

But you know, might as well put it out there just in case.

@liquor_american @chrisgeidner

@volkris @liquor_american @chrisgeidner yeah, I don’t entertain fascist deniers, so you’re shit outta luck.

“Extremely liberal but without a home in US politics” just means you gape hard for the literal, obvious fascists that you won’t decry. That tells us all enough about you.

Your concern trolling is a 3/10, I’ve seen Russian accounts do better with Google translate.

@DMTea I mean if I was trolling I would simply call you a fascist and be done with it.

But if you’re interested in talking let’s talk.

Otherwise I’m just going to assume you’re a fascist and walk away.

@volkris

Jan 6th happened. Fake electors happened. Voter fraud lies happened. The coup attempt happened.

To deny this can only mean you condone it, which highlights that you are a fascist.

Concern trolling won’t do anything except really underscore how little you choose to understand what you’re talking about.

#fascism #democracy #trump #politics #uspol