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#blockmetabydefault
#blockthreads
#threads
#dontfederatehate

Folker Dec 16, 2023

@androcat

Should I stop using email because I am associating with the wrong people?

Far most people on #threads are nice and decent. Why should I not communicate with them?

Also, if you don't want to deal with threads, you personally can simply block them. No need to be against federating. https://mastodon.social/@folkerschamel/111579865622772003

carbon offsets are BS ☕️🥬Dec 16, 2023

@folkerschamel @androcat

Personal blocking doesn’t seem to be enough for them. They need EVERYONE to agree with them and do as they say.

Folker Dec 16, 2023

@plasma4045 @androcat

That's also my impression.
And in their world all the people not agreeing with them, including all the people on #threads, are bad people.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel FFS, are you a newbie here?
Try getting along with just blocking individual users on all the bad instances.

Your fedi experience is only bearable because your admin applies Fediblock policies.

Some people tried the same argument with Gab, but here's the thing: There aren't any interesting people on Gab, by definition.
Interesting people don't hang with Nazis.
Interesting people also don't hang out with Libs on TikTok or Gays against Groomers, hence there's also no interesting people on Threads.

And Mosseri is a fucking nazi-bar owning bitch, so fuck him in particular.

#threads #meta #fediverse

Folker Dec 17, 2023

@androcat @plasma4045

Personal domain blocking is not the same as blocking individual users.

I think that this is one of the problems that much of the opinions which have formed in the #fedipact crowd seems to be based on technical misinformation.

I’m not talking about blocking individuals. I’m talking about a user’s ability to block entire domains themselves.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel Again, that also applies to the Gab discussion.

Are you on the "why defederate Gab" side?

Just trying to figure out what part of this you're having trouble grokking.

No. I like defederating gab.

My issue is your pretending like the population of gab and threads are on the same level.

It’s like you don’t know why gab formed in the first place.

It was because they all got kicked off of other platforms, like Facebook.

There are no “normal” people on gab. There are normal people on threads.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel FB has been breaking down democracy for decades. FB itself has done more actual damage than Gab.

Because they did have algorithms that could have filtered out the rise of hate, but they preferred to monetize it instead.

So, Gab is less evil than Threads, by far.

Also, there are literal nazi hate groups on Threads, but Threads moderation doesn't act unless it's spelled out.

And even then, Threads moderation feel that the real nazis are people who are upset when Palestinian babies are blown up with deliberate military overkill.

Secondly, again, you're on Mas.to which afaik doesn't federate with Threads.

If you're upset, and you seem real upset, you can just move to an instance that does.

You don't even have to give up your mas.to acct, you can have your cake and whine about it.

Point is: Just because you're naïve enough to trust a megacorp, doesn't mean your admin has to be.

Just go find an admin who is.

So we’ve finally made it to the “but meta” stage of the argument. It’s not actually about data collection, privacy, or seeing unsavory things in the timeline (because, again, you’re capable of blocking entire domains). Just “I don’t like meta”. Which is fine.

I just don’t feel like I need a paternalistic admin to protect me from the scary internet. If you do, that’s also fine.

And I plan on moving, unfortunately.

I plan on just running an instance myself because I have a feeling this won’t be the last time this shit happens.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel
By all means do try running an instance yourself.

And leave the battle-hardened admins who keep the rest of us safe in peace.

Back-stabbing know-nothing.

So dramatic.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel That's what your privileged ass doesn't get: There are people on here to whom being mobbed is a constant threat.

And you're here going "how dramatic".

Fuck you. Fuck all the way off with your techbro privilege.

@androcat

Except, as already discussed, if you believe there’s a threat from a domain, it’s within your power as a user to block.

If instances like gab weren’t blocked on my instance I’d just do it myself. Because I’m an adult.

If being able to handle my own shit and knowing how to read and follow technical documentation makes me a techbro then I’m a fucking techbro. Because that’s literally all we’re talking about here.

@plasma4045 This just shows that nobody has ever tried to harass you on here.

You have no idea how it actually works, for people at risk.

You literally have no idea why your own admin has a block list, and you have no idea how little protection a personal domain-block actually offers.

A personal domain-block is only really about managing your feed. If you actually had reason to fear the people on that other server, you would feel very differently.

Privilege is the mind-killer, and your mind already kicked the bucket.

Folker Dec 17, 2023

@androcat @plasma4045

As pointed out by @Gargron user level domain blocks are as efficent as admin level domain blocks.

Folker Dec 17, 2023

@androcat @plasma4045

Such personal attacks (as well as misinformation) which are completely unnecessary and which unfortunately I've seen multiple times from the #fedipact crowd are in my view one of the reasons of the toxicity of social media, and it seems it has spilled over even to #mastodon.

There are already people on #threads who want to be protected from the #mastodon world, and I can understand them more and more.

What about making this a better place instead?

Tim Chambers Dec 17, 2023

@folkerschamel @androcat @plasma4045

Agreed: totally get that there are intense fillings on both sides, but everyone should try hard to assume good faith of the other. No grounds for toxic behavior or personal attacks.

Androcat Dec 18, 2023

@tchambers @folkerschamel @plasma4045 You're the guy in the middle saying "Compromise?".

Fuck off with your pretend consideration, you're just ignorant.

Sascha Pallenberg 🇹🇼 ♻️ ⚡Dec 17, 2023

@androcat geez. Never ever have I seen so much hate on Mastodon since I joined. I just hope Threads won't federate with toot.cat

Imagine what impression the average Threads user would get.

Not a single user attacked you personally and you are insulting each and everyone who wants to have a calm discussion.

@plasma4045 @folkerschamel

Tim Chambers Dec 17, 2023

@plasma4045 @androcat @folkerschamel

You are welcome to join my server at indieweb.social…👍

@tchambers

👀

Tim Chambers Dec 18, 2023

@androcat @folkerschamel - think this is a simple but powerful argument from @plasma4045:

"My issue is your pretending like the population of gab and threads are on the same level.

It’s like you don’t know why gab formed in the first place.

It was because they all got kicked off of other platforms, like Facebook."