Veza85UEDec 15, 2023

@elCelio @pmroman
I agree that the majority have 0 interest in making the EU work better (it would be a perk, if only someone else did the work and the vision thingy and ONLY as long as it doesn't inconvenience them)... BUT. That might turn out for the better under the right circumstances (and with vastly improved personnel - but that's on us, the voters).

I think we NEED more, not less, politics. Not the way Orban does it, but these clashes of interests are normal.

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@elCelio @pmroman
I think they started paying attention to the EU and fighting regularly about EU matters because the EU started to matter more and more. Sure, most of them have no interest in geopolitics (or anything past the next elections), for example, but just because they're not interested it doesn't mean that geopolitics isn't interested in them.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio Right, exactly like in any other elected legislative territorial chamber, their next election. Now, want to improve things? Start with a functional parliament of no more than 425 members.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023

@pmroman @elCelio
I agree. Where do I vote for it?

I'd vote for that.
The EUCO won't let me, they block any sniff of a reform.

Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio You vote in your state, each time you vote in the general election. Historically Senates are not by direct election.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
No, sorry: it here means EU reform. I DO want to improve things. Where do I vote for it? Where's the reform initiative I can endorse?
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio Well, vote for me, if I ever run 😀
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
Can't because we have no transnational lists, the Council won't let me. 😔
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio All it takes is me moving! See? With 400 members, a single member would have a lot more power, now they are individually irrelevant.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
Member states governments will not let them have power, you can cut it down to 45 or 27, the Council works as intended for an era in which is interesting to think of *2009* as its starting point... boy did they not cover themselves in glory with the financial crisis either. And they must have thought THAT was was hard. Hah. Welcome to the Accelerationist era. You won't have time for merkelling anymore.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio It will get better, more integrated. Mr. Draghi is right, the current structure is at the end of its useful life, I believe there will be a fully functional structure by 2050-60, of course I won't be here to celebrate.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio It takes time, it will take about 100 years to be settled, since the 1950's, which is far shorter than the time it took for most democracies to consolidate and set up.
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@pmroman @elCelio
"settled" Even the verb sounds so luxurious 😄 for someone like me who started to pay attention during the austerity era (but only vaguely, getting poorer when you're that young feels different). If they continue with the same insouciance, we'll be lucky if any of us are still around by the 2050s and have enough soil and water to eat. OK, I'm exaggerating, but to me the personnel is subpar for the times. Though like I said, that's our fault.
Dec 15, 2023 at 7:11pmWeb
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio It will be ok, I'm sure of it.😀