Veza85UEDec 15, 2023

@elCelio @pmroman
I agree that the majority have 0 interest in making the EU work better (it would be a perk, if only someone else did the work and the vision thingy and ONLY as long as it doesn't inconvenience them)... BUT. That might turn out for the better under the right circumstances (and with vastly improved personnel - but that's on us, the voters).

I think we NEED more, not less, politics. Not the way Orban does it, but these clashes of interests are normal.

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@elCelio @pmroman
I think they started paying attention to the EU and fighting regularly about EU matters because the EU started to matter more and more. Sure, most of them have no interest in geopolitics (or anything past the next elections), for example, but just because they're not interested it doesn't mean that geopolitics isn't interested in them.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio Right, exactly like in any other elected legislative territorial chamber, their next election. Now, want to improve things? Start with a functional parliament of no more than 425 members.
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@pmroman @elCelio
I agree. Where do I vote for it?

I'd vote for that.
The EUCO won't let me, they block any sniff of a reform.

Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio You vote in your state, each time you vote in the general election. Historically Senates are not by direct election.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
No, sorry: it here means EU reform. I DO want to improve things. Where do I vote for it? Where's the reform initiative I can endorse?
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio Well, vote for me, if I ever run 😀
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
Can't because we have no transnational lists, the Council won't let me. 😔
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE @elCelio All it takes is me moving! See? With 400 members, a single member would have a lot more power, now they are individually irrelevant.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
Member states governments will not let them have power, you can cut it down to 45 or 27, the Council works as intended for an era in which is interesting to think of *2009* as its starting point... boy did they not cover themselves in glory with the financial crisis either. And they must have thought THAT was was hard. Hah. Welcome to the Accelerationist era. You won't have time for merkelling anymore.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺
@Veza85UE @elCelio And don't discard the idea of a EU at 2, or even 3, speeds.
Dec 15, 2023 at 7:02pmWeb
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman @elCelio
I don't discard it, it sounds sensible to me depending on the execution. I think it was the underlying structure proposed by the group of franco-allemand expert group for EU reform. I was more interested in the rule of law parts of their report, but I remember the Communauté politique européenne as the outer circle.
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE The outcome could surprise you, it wouldn't be the first time dossiers get back to the top of the pile.
Show threadVeza85UEDec 15, 2023
@pmroman 0 trust in the Council(s) which means they can only surprise me in one direction. 😄
Show threadpmroman 🇪🇺Dec 15, 2023
@Veza85UE I don't share your skepticism, we shall see, better you shall see, by mid century 🙂