If you could change one thing in F1

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If you could change one thing in F1 - Lemmy.World

Okay folks, it is the off season time for useless debates. If you could change one thing about F1 (and just one thing you anoraks) what would it be and why?

I’m going straight in there with the controversial ‘I’d change the 2021 result’.

At least, I would change the decisions made by Masi at the end of the race. Not just straight up take the title off Max.

But I know that’s not really the spirit of your question. So to follow that, I’d just get rid of sprint races.

What you’re saying about not simply taking away Max’ title is probably the reason Mercedes thought better of going to court over this.

You just can’t say with 100% certainty that Hamilton would’ve won the race under different circumstances, it wouldn’t hold up in court. The only thing they probably could’ve achieved would’ve been to invalidate the race result, but that wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the championship.

I mean, had the race finished under the safety car as it ought to have done then we can say that Lewis would have won the race and the championship
We’d assume, yes. And I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think this would hold up in court. There’s a non-zero chance Lewis’ car would’ve died during the last lap driving slowly, for example.
I mean, courts don’t work on the basis of non-zero chances.
What I’m saying is that they probably can’t “invent” a race result in court by fantasizing about how it could’ve been.
And I’m saying extrapolating one safety car lap forward is not ‘fantasizing’

Yep, exactly. Nothing to say Lewis wouldn’t have crashed behind the safety car. Unlikely? Sure. But not guaranteed. I’m happy for max and I feel sorry for him that it will always be brought up alongside his first title. There will always be that imaginary asterisks there.

Someone else commented that it would have been the same if it was the other way and it was Max that got screwed. I agree, I think it was just Masi trying to make it exciting. But that doesn’t change the fact it was completely wrong.

Relax. Have you ever watched a soccer match? There are at least half a dozen errors by the referee in each match that can influence the outcome of a match. Even with the video referee. Sometimes it is in your favor , sometimes it is not, deal with it. Max won and he deserved it.
This wasn’t an error, it was a deliberate missing out the rules to create a dramatic ending. it’s not the same as a referee missing an offside call.
That was the entire season though, its way more complicated than 1 race
I can’t think of another point in the season where the race director chose to misinterpret the rules to change the result of the race?
If the situation was reversed, the same exact thing would more than likely have happened. What Masi did was fucked though.
I completely agree. Masi tried to make it exciting and fucked up massively.
Get rid of track limits. I never want to hear those words again. Put a tire barrier in the corner you don’t want people to cut. automatically sanction people who cut the corner and do it immediately. Add an extra bit of asfalt that drivers have to drive on as soon as the have cut a corner, so they loose 5 seconds per lap when they do that. Be creative.
They always say the asphalt corners and run offs are for safety, which I get. I have always figured there should be a grass/gravel moat though. Get a meter or so of stuff the drivers don’t want to drive on right at the edge of the track. The. Turn back on to asphalt. That way if they really fuck it up they are safe but it keeps the drivers from tipping a toe over the line.

Get a meter or so of stuff the drivers don’t want to drive on right at the edge of the track

mines.

In the drivers’ briefings tell the drivers that a construction crew has mistakenly dropped a box of nails off their truck on some random unknown portion of runoff outside of track limits.
We do a little trolling
Run one race a year for the unwashed masses. Tickets are cheap and by lottery. Infield camping. No generators. No luxury booths. No RVs. Tents only. No re-entry. First year at Watkins Glen.
If you cause a yellow or red flag in qualifying your fastest time is taken away instantly. You are ruining the laps of others and you can not benefit from it imho

No changing tires during a red flag.

I was tempted to say no working on the car AT ALL during a red but I’ll settle for just the tires.

Might not be a popular change but I would like to see less races. Feels like there are way too many and some of the newer street courses aren’t that great. One of the reasons I follow IMSA more than F1 is that there were only 11 races last year. For me that made each race weekend something to look forward to.

Sprinkles!

Set to turn on at a random lap number for a random amount of time.

Now I’m imagining a steward dashing across the track dumping ice cream toppings on the apex
At least it was a funny auto-correct.
Get out of here Bernie, you no longer run the show!
I’d love to be that rich!

Get rid of all the energy recovery/engine size/fuel efficiency rules.

I want to see what kind of technology engineers come up with when the rules simply say “you get X kg of fuel per race, figure out the most efficient way to use it.”

Better yet, specify X units of energy and the teams decide the source: hydrogen, battery, hydrocarbon, etc.

Oh god. Imagine a car powered by uranium…
imagine an F1 car with an Orion drive
I mean…assuming it would be smaller than the track…
Weirdly enough it would be very slow. Or supersonic in pieces in one direction once.
True. I’d love to see the materials science that would be required to pull that off. Right now, battery technology…isn’t great compared to the advancements humanity has made in the past twenty to thirty years or so. That, and the current bulk of battery materials are either ethically problematic (e.g., lithium), quite toxic (e.g., nickel), or both (e.g., cobalt).
Now I’m picturing the ensuing turn 1 carnage after a Fallout car explosion.
Lol there wouldn’t even be a circuit anymore. Hell, the entire city would be wiped off the map.

I wonder if the best option then would be a gas/methanol generator and electric motors.

You’d only need to design a generator for one RPM so no transmission. Instant torque, regenerative braking, and let’s add AWD, active aero, and torque vectoring.

Yes!

A similar idea I keep telling friends is to have one car be a spec f1 car, the other is full prototype no holds barred so long as you stick to whatever the general formula might be like the weight you mentioned. But as few limitations as possible.

One car is innovative and got the constructors, the other is for the drivers and the skill.

I wanna see F1 make innovations!

More tyre manufacturers, less street circuits, reduction in car size just to name a few
I knew there would be an anorak somewhere.
Counting to 1 is quite difficult for some…

More tyre manufacturers

No one else wants to supply tires that purposely destroy themselves.

One-shot quali. Bonus: get rid of the dreadful fucking sprints.

But think of the sponsors! They pay so much to be painted on the car so we should make sure they’re shown!

How am I supposed to know I need to be buying ray-ban and tag-Hauer without it!

Get rid of tyre blankets for qualifying. Would mean drivers would have to warm up the tyres themselves before a push lap, which should lead to faster out laps.
We will have multiple slower laps instead of a single faster lap. See F2 for proof of this.
This will cause all sorts of problems. Pirelli tires have a pretty small window of temperatures when they are working. Cold tires mean bigger chance of crashing on outlap. Cold tires mean many slow laps to heat them to correct temperatures. I would say it is a good idea, but not with current tires.

Make the Sprint Race start in reverse driver standing order. Would fix the awkward Friday qualifying. New schedule would be Friday practice 1&2, Saturday qualifying and sprint race. Friday race.

Would also make the Sprint race actually interesting because everyone has a reason to care and fight

The sprint should be before qualifying. That way people who work on Saturdays would be able to catch quali live without major changes to their schedule
How would the order for the sprint be determined?
I thought OP had meant reverse championship order when he said reverse driver standing order.
Draw straws, who cares, the sprints suck
Get rid of the Sunday race in Monaco, build the entire weekend around some sort of super qualifying
Remove the hybrid engines and return to normally aspirated petrol engines.
There’s little interest in that from the engine manufacturers. They have use for learning hybrid tech for a while but most of the world is putting or has put laws in place for cessation of ICE engine sales in only a few years from now. Why put r&d into dead, unsellable, tech