65dBnoiseNo, you are not 'antisemitic' if you don't agree with what the right wing warmongering Israeli government is doing in #Gaza. Nor are you pro-Hamas if you care about Palestinians not being treated like subhuman and killed by the thousands. Nor are you anti-American if you don't agree with the hypocrisy of the US government's double speak. You are simply using your judgement to see through the enormous propaganda machine and trying to think like a human of the 21st century.
Richard@65dBnoise Have you been accused of antisemitism? If so, please link to the actual conversation so we can see if you said something horrible that you are asking us to blindly accept your defense of, or whether we can join your public indignation over having been falsely accused.
I have seen too many contextless claims like this from people who are called out on actual antisemitism (e.g. "JEWS OWN THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS!") and get huffy about it. So supply context, please.
Erik Haugen@richard_merren @65dBnoise Not me or OP, but here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar#Remarks_on_AIPAC_and_American_support_for_Israel
I disagree with Omar on essentially every overton-window question, but it has to be ok to talk about money in politics.
@richard_merren @65dBnoise Or again with Tlaib and the "river to the sea" thing.
Naively believing that a single state one-vote-per-person will work out well for everyone doesn't make you an antisemite.
All this stumbling over each other to be as outraged as possible about things like these is probably not helpful.
@ech @65dBnoise "River to the sea" is historically a call to wipe jews off the map. It is painful to hear for many Jews, and using it means many jews can't stand with you. If your goal is inclusion, avoid it.
But to your larger point: yes, there are many things you can say that are NOT antisemitic, and it is entirely possible to criticize Israel without using antisemitic tropes. If you do that, then good on you. But pretending that it isn't widespread is dishonest and denies reality.
@richard_merren @65dBnoise The phrase is also used in good faith, though. roll with it.
I don't call for "river to the sea" because I believe it will end in disaster, but I recognize good faith in those who disagree with me.
I am not pretending antisemitism isn't widespread, I don't think anyone said that.
@ech @65dBnoise I would never, ever tell someone to "just roll with it" on a phrase that they have told me was long associated with ethnic cleansing of their family and friends. This is the slogan Hamas uses, and has always been associated with their goal of wiping Jews off the map. A few weeks ago the Hamas murdered my kids' camp counselor, and is currently trying to kill their cousins, and you think i'm going to "roll with it" with their catchphrase? What is the matter with you?
@richard_merren @ech
From the get go it appears that ad hominem attacks is your preferred mode of arguing. Please refrain from doing it. You've been warned.
Being the subject of the original post, one would expect that #warcrimes committed by the #Israeli army in #Gaza following the atrocities of #Hamas earlier which triggered the war, ~20k Palestinians killed, most of whom children and civilians, and the annihilation of Gaza, would be worth mentioning. At least once, in passing.
@65dBnoise @ech And you should note that I did not accuse you of saying anything antisemitic at all. You got huffy because I asked you what charges of antisemitism you were complaining about and you launched into insulting English teacher correction mode instead of giving any concrete examples of what drove you to complain.