@taco That's not the case that matters. The case that matters is the one against the Motor Vehicle Authority, which Tesla already won an injunction against, so they can pick up their plates in person. The Motor Vehicle Authority is appealing.

Vs. the postal service, Tesla did not "lose legal action", they just failed to get an injunction, so the case will now proceed normally.

Note that there are options for even if they can't get plates (which, as mentioned, they can)

@nafnlaus which is fine.

People who ordered Teslas and have been on waiting lists should be able to drive them, but it’s awful press for them.

@taco IMHO, I'm pretty sure it'll end up:

The Motor Vehicle Authority will have to provide new plates in a viable manner, as that's their legal obligation.

PostNord will have to let Tesla claim the existing plates they have in a timely and reasonable manner, because you can't keep someone's property from them (theft).

HOWEVER:

The Postal Service won't have to DELIVER anything, however (now or ever), because it's worker's rights not to work in a strike.

@nafnlaus tbh I have zero idea how entrenched personal and collective rights are in Scandinavia.

I was recently very shocked to learn that New Zealanders basically don’t have any. Who’d have guessed?

@taco @nafnlaus Deeply it seems.

But let's look at it how we do it in Austria. In a way, every person working (including employers) are at least once “kind of” unionized.

E.g beside the "real" unions, each employee is part of the worker chamber, by law. And basically all industries have collective bargained framework contracts.

And all businesses are part of the "business chamber", which can negotiate for them if there are no more specific industry associations.

@taco @nafnlaus The classic freelancers (e.g. lawyers, doctors, pharmacists, …) all have their own chambers, which btw are also their administrative self-regulatory bodies.

The system goes by the name of “social partnership”, and has been (in the last decades slightly less, but still) a kind of shadow government, regulating more of the workplace conditions in Austria than the government.

@taco @nafnlaus So coming back to Mr Elon "I hate if the other side bargains collectively" Musk. Sorry dear boy, in any number of European countries, collective bargaining is deeply entrenched, in some certainly by law.

But as according to the con man in chief, his companies already pay better and have better benefits (another funny thing for most Europeans, our benefits are usually decided by law & collective tariffs), so what is his complaint?

@taco @nafnlaus (So what does Elon want to decide on benefits? If the workers get free drinks in the restrooms at company expense or not? Healthcare is defined usually by law. Vacation, paid sick leave, etc too. Industry collective contracts can improve on the legal minimums)

So he can offer potentially an add-on healthcare plan (e.g. in Austria dental is only covered partially by the legal one), free meals and drinks. HomeOffice for the office workers? Not his thing, AFAIK.

@yacc143 @taco You have it backwards. What you call "Chambers" (what I know as "Works Councils")? *Tesla Has That*. There's one at Tesla's factory in Berlin-Brandenburg. They didn't lift a finger to stop it. It's *IG METALL* that's keeps opposing and trying to undercut the works council ("chamber") at Tesla because they want to represent the workers directly instead.

And lastly, this isn't about "Elon". It's about what the *employees of Tesla* want. And they voted.

@yacc143 @taco See:

https://www.rbb24.de/studiofrankfurt/wirtschaft/tesla/2023/01/tesla-ig-metall-vorwurf-falschinformationen-gewerkschaft.html

You need to decide: are you on the side of IG Metall, or are you on the side of the workers? Because you can't be on both at the same time, as the workers are opposing IG Metall.

@nafnlaus @taco But you are talking about Germany, not Scandinavia.

That problem will solve itself, Tesla is paying worse than the average German car industry, has troubles finding workers, and funny they seem to have a much higher than average (by German standards) work accidents in the Tesla plant.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/tesla-gruenheide-arbeitsunfaelle-umwelt-100.html

With the Betriebsrat it's hard to assess if it's really independant, or if the company got a corporate-friendly one elected. 🤷

@nafnlaus @taco
But as said, as Tesla Germany is not meeting industry standards in how it handles their workers, they do have problems finding enough of these. (Lucky for them, they are near to Poland, so they can try to source these there)

But the topic was Tesla in Scandinavia, collective bargaining, and I explained that collective bargaining is deeply entrenched in many European countries.