@taco That's not the case that matters. The case that matters is the one against the Motor Vehicle Authority, which Tesla already won an injunction against, so they can pick up their plates in person. The Motor Vehicle Authority is appealing.

Vs. the postal service, Tesla did not "lose legal action", they just failed to get an injunction, so the case will now proceed normally.

Note that there are options for even if they can't get plates (which, as mentioned, they can)

@nafnlaus which is fine.

People who ordered Teslas and have been on waiting lists should be able to drive them, but it’s awful press for them.

@taco IMHO, I'm pretty sure it'll end up:

The Motor Vehicle Authority will have to provide new plates in a viable manner, as that's their legal obligation.

PostNord will have to let Tesla claim the existing plates they have in a timely and reasonable manner, because you can't keep someone's property from them (theft).

HOWEVER:

The Postal Service won't have to DELIVER anything, however (now or ever), because it's worker's rights not to work in a strike.

@nafnlaus tbh I have zero idea how entrenched personal and collective rights are in Scandinavia.

I was recently very shocked to learn that New Zealanders basically don’t have any. Who’d have guessed?

@taco @nafnlaus Last time a large American company, Toys R Us, tried this they had to fold because they basically couldn't get anything done. No garbage pickup. No electricians. No shipping in or out etc etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/in-brief-toys-r-us-settles-labor-dispute-that-made-headlines-in-sweden.html for one source, there seems to be loads on reddit too.

Now Tesla is quickly heading in the same parts and I'm here for it. If they don't like it they can leave, we'll be alright.

@badsynthesis @taco And?

Ignoring that Tesla isn't high-volume retail and is in an extremely different market space, you apparently don't understand:

Tesla neither cares, nor does it need you.

Not only are its needs tiny, the company has been, since day one, about vertical integration. Since day 1, if anything ever stands in their way or slows them down, they just in-house it. They *already have* electricians. They already *have* janitors. Whatever you don't do, *they'll just do*.

@nafnlaus @badsynthesis except that they do care.

Elon wouldn’t throw anti-union tantrums on his 44bn dollar fringe right vanity project if they didn’t.

@taco @badsynthesis What you call "throwing tantrums" is an honest expression of his opinion. He thinks IF Metall is basically the Mafia running a shakedown racket. And he has no intention of paying.

This is not defending Musk - I wouldn't, and I don't have to. Because his view is incredibly common. Most cars in the world are made at non-union factories.

I'm just telling you what's going to happen. Tesla will simply inhouse the jobs, so if that's where your strategy ends, pick a new one.

@iCarlosPro @taco @badsynthesis The point is that there is "loss" that's going to happen from Tesla, as I've more than laid out, so if your extremely public goal is to achieve a loss, and you fail at that, what's that going to do to *you*?

And FYI, Spain made 127k BEVs last year- all companies operating in Spain *combined*. Tesla sold nearly double that many in Europe last year.

And Tesla is not "a person". It's a company of something like 150 thousand people. Personification of it is *weird*.

@nafnlaus @taco @badsynthesis it’s workers rights what is all about so, of course, as a worker, I DO CARE. Everyone should care.

It’s irrelevant that only 127K were electric. Given the percentage of BEV cars that Europe has nowadays, compared to other propulsion systems. Also, van and light vehicles are produced here. Good quality products, reasonably priced.

If personification is weird, they shouldn’t give that importance to their CEO…..

@iCarlosPro @taco @badsynthesis If it's about workers' rights, then why don't you care about what TESLA'S WORKERS ACTUALLY WANT?

"It’s irrelevant that only 127K were electric." - the EU is rapidly moving toward complete electrification. Tesla (the world's largest BEV manufacturer) has performed so well in the market due to being able to actually make EVs at profitable margins, unlike other manufacturers (outside of China) who have little to no margins.

@iCarlosPro @taco @badsynthesis "because I DO CARE about Tesla’s workers rights"

Then LISTEN TO THEM - as a whole, not cherry-picked some tiny minority - and don't substitute your hot takes for their actual experiences. You're not their mother. THEY judge for themselves whether they like their job and want IF Metall involved. And *overwhelmingly* they've given IF Metall their backs.

(I don't mean that figuratively, I mean some SCs have even posed for pictures doing it quite literally)