"You can check out the full change log on our Discord!"

I'm seeing this more and more.

For the love of all holy gaming, please stop doing that. Put it on the actual open web where people can read it properly.

@gamingonlinux and that doesn't even make sense, since Discord messages have an upper character limit which can't be surpassed even by Nitro payers. And it has fewer formatting capabilities than a proper website...
@gamingonlinux I really don't get the attachment people feel with Discord.
@rbanffy @gamingonlinux It's an addiction. Source: experience
@rbanffy @gamingonlinux discord members can be leveraged as potential impressions and player base for devs if they are looking for publishers

@rbanffy @gamingonlinux It's PHPBB forums, with a singular login client, and notifications for when messages are posted.

Well, that, and it's a Free hosting site essentially...and it updates more than once every 7 years.

I can sort of see the appeal, except...PHPBB forums did a bunch of things better and still does.

@rbanffy @gamingonlinux (Actually, upon double checking, since PHPBB Forums the software is still in development, it's probably more accurate to call it the Invisionfree forums hosting...only with an app client, and video/voice chat, but otherwise...still worse in general.)*
@AT1ST @rbanffy @gamingonlinux
Except that those forums allow you to put the important announcements and documents that random people will want/need to read in a subforum that doesn't require an account to access.
@chakatfirepaw @rbanffy @gamingonlinux I did say that PHPBB forums did do some stuff better than Discord - that is just one of them.
@rbanffy Mostly, the community it has and because it is already have it there, it's difficult to try to encourage better alterative to them as it has to be rebuilt again.

@gamingonlinux
@gamingonlinux “for up to date docs, consult our extremely toxic phpbb or try your luck searching our even more toxic discord” fuck no. why are open source gaming projects like this
@gamingonlinux Oh, I would *love* to boost this more! For the love of god, people, use Discord for chatting and video calls, not for documentation.
@Ertain Not at all ideally . Use Matrix, Jitsi Meet, anything FrOSS. @gamingonlinux
@gamingonlinux Finding out some entire game modding communities are only discoverable via Discord caused me to take severe psychic damage. If you tell me I have to use Discord's horrible search to find the most up to date version of your mod, I'm definitely never installing your mod
@gamingonlinux Yes, exactly! What is the problem, to set up shortly a “Discourse Forum” you don't need to have an account there to read or as you said just post it on the official website.
@gamingonlinux discord is just all around bad for community building...
@gamingonlinux But but "NUMBER GOES UP"!

@gamingonlinux Aaaaaaaaaarrrggghhhhh.......

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Why is there every day a confirmation for the infinite human stupidity...........

@gamingonlinux to be fair it's incredibly complicated and resource intensive to create and host a file containing plain text
@gamingonlinux mfw people are too lazy to put the change logs on their repository page or just put it somewhere where people don't need an account to see it

@gamingonlinux I have not, and will NEVER make a Discord account just to view some changelog or get "support" from someone because of some issue I'm having.

It's not hard whatsoever to make and host a functioning website or forum (i.e. Discourse) to post the changelogs on and have a *open* place where the community can engage on.

I mean, if your going to type out the changelogs to put them up on Discord, why can't you just Ctrl + C/V it onto a public website or forum post? It's mindboggling.

@Quinn9282 @gamingonlinux
I _have_ a Discord account¹ and I can't be bothered to join random Discords to view things like FAQs or changelogs.

1: Mostly for a couple of artists.

@gamingonlinux The big draw to using Discord for support is that it's free; indie developers don't have to fiddle with system administration or pay for hosting on top of building their game and community.
Other draws include "number goes up," convenience of use, convenience of login if you need to ask a question (so you don't have to create and manage yet another account), and so on. Also that Gen Z (in general) has no idea how to use forums, so anyone 20 or younger is going to use what they're familiar with.

There's no excuse for only posting changelogs on Discord though. Use Render.com, one of the millions of sketchy free hosts like InfinityFree, or even goddamn Cloudflare Pages if you have to (GH pages still price gates private repos with public pages, right?). Gating that to only Discord is pointless crap.
@gamingonlinux Changelog on Pastebin. Or make a publicly accessible Google doc.
@gamingonlinux lol imagine telling people that your IRC channel is the authoritative source for the changelog, netsplits be damned. And that's literally this.
@gamingonlinux I’m seeing this more and more with customer support stuff too.
@gamingonlinux Also can't discord well in a SteamVR browser.
@gamingonlinux jfc that's one of your best options for promotion and you're young to throw it in a hole?
@gamingonlinux "Discord is not a replacement for a wiki" is the modern "this meeting should've been an e-mail."
@gamingonlinux this is getting more and more of a problem... Using discord for providing support is fine, but please just put docs on a damn website...
@gamingonlinux no more walled gardens. No more closed off information. No more gatekeeping. I hate that we keep going down this path.

@gamingonlinux OMG yes. I wholeheartedly agree to this. I don't want to have to specifically use Discord just to find out stuff which should rightfully just go in your website!

Plus I also dislike having to go in Discord for support. Why can't I just have access to an email / live chat via your website??

@gamingonlinux Change logs should be in git...
@gamingonlinux and if you can't be bothered to set up a WordPress yourself, my rates are reasonable
@gamingonlinux, same thing with emails. I hate when the summarize the content or cut it off. I didn't sign up for notifications; I signed up for emails.
@gamingonlinux What they really are saying is "Eh, someone will cut and paste it on Reddit, why bother".