balderdashIt's all downhill from here
RubberElectronsYoooo đ that is spot on!!!
AllonzeeLVThen remind them no one will miss them and supply side heaven doesnât exist.
Charles Sumner knows that to well but, there are times when it is worth it. In his case it was abolishing slavery.
BroBot9000Just watched this episode yesterday đ
The Amazing Jesus...
Every generation has shitty and awesome people. Look around you at your own generation, you know itâs true. These kind of memes are meant to divide, please donât fall for it.
Found the boomer, guys
Not a boomer, my generation looks at all of the other generations and ask ourselves wtf? Weâre skipped, lol.
Gen X?
Every generation has shitty and awesome people
Right, but different generations have experienced different levels of economic and cultural turmoil that have shaped their political and ethical ideologies.
People who embraced Reaganomics and the general back slide of civility have destroyed their ability to empathize with anyone outside of their small community.
Younger generations still display this type of learned behavior, but itâs a small minority when compared to the majority of boomers. Iâm probably in the same generation as you, but I donât really share your confusion about the schism.
I feel like GenX were the last gen to believe that everything would be fine if you just get a degree and do your time. Weâre the last generation that had the privilege of not having to pay attention to politics.
Boomers experienced the draft and went to war, gen x experienced a deep recession, millennials experienced a deep recession and wars with a dose of Sept. 11th sprinkled in. War, recessions and having a hard time happens to every generation. Some people are born making home runs and got out of being drafted, some people didnât. Getting old does make you lose empathy, but from my experience dealing with my grandparents, itâs because they donât think anyoneâs listening or respects them so they go all in. We can all learn from each other.
The billionaires, corporations and lack of power for the common people are the issues to be addressed, not the elderly. Only a small percentage of people make all of the decisions that are making all of the generations have a fucking hard time right now.
War, recessions and having a hard time happens to every generation.
Yes, but how society responds to those challenges is really what matters, and thatâs not consistent.
Getting old does make you lose empathy
Iâve always been told that, but I donât really believe it. The older Iâve gotten the more empathetic Iâve become, and this seems to run true with all of my aging friends.
my grandparents, itâs because they donât think anyoneâs listening or respects them so they go all in.
Eh, that may be true for your grandparents. But most of my geriatric patients tend to be highly influenced by conservative fear mongering.
The billionaires, corporations and lack of power for the common people are the issues to be addressed, not the elderly. Only a small percentage of people make all of the decisions that are making all of the generations have a fucking hard time right now.
I think that is a highly reductive way to describe it⌠The older generation has consistently voted away their rights, electing the people making âall the decisionsâ. The older generations have held more influence for longer than any other generation in American history.
Who do you think empowered the rich and the political class? Who do you think voted for and continues to vote for the people making all our lives miserable? How about you go and ask the average Medicare patient who made their lives so hard, I bet they wonât agree with your theoryâŚ
The difference is that they had the opportunity to elect people to make their own lives worse, and everyone after has had that choice made for them by people who should have retired decades ago.
If youâre going to go by all of your generalizations, then you have to understand that the young donât vote, thatâs why the old make such a difference. If the young voted, we would have a different world.
But again, the corporations, lack of power for the common people (union busting, price-fixing wages, taking away rights, etc.) is whatâs killing all generations.
If youâre going to go by all of your generalizations, then you have to understand that the young donât vote, thatâs why the old make such a difference
Ahh if only it was someoneâs responsibility to educate younger generations on the importance of votingâŚ
corporations and lack of power for the common people (union busting, price-fixing wages, taking away rights, etc.) are whatâs killing all generations.
Right, but youâre pretending that all this occurred in a vacuum? Did the corporations vote to elect the people who led the attacks on unions? Did corporations vote to elect the politicians who allowed taking away our rights?
These didnât all happen at once, that generation decided these were ideas that would benefit themselves. And it did, they lived through the most economically prosperous times in America and got to retire before all their greed came crashing down around them.
Seriously, youâre sticking up for the corporations and ultra rich who use extreme propaganda to influence everyone? My generation was lucky to escape that because weâre ignored, thatâs why we see what a con this all is to divide the two largest generations.
Seriously, youâre sticking up for the corporations and ultra rich who use extreme propaganda to influence everyone?
And who owns and operates those corporations?
You are operating under a false dichotomy, itâs not an either or situation. Yes corporations are negatively impacting our society, but that doesnât negate the fact that the lionâs share of the profit created by those companies are going directly into a boomers pocket.
We are arguing about the cultural and ethical beliefs of generations. Bringing up corporations doesnât inherently mean anything without context, and with context it doesnât really improve your argument.
The elderly inherently share more blame for the status quo because theyâve had the most time to influence the status quo.
So every boomer makes every decision at these huge corporations? You donât even make sense. Have you talked to any dude just out of finance in college? Theyâre not trying to help their generation, lol. Theyâre trying to take the next dude for a ride, and so it has ever been.
Yes, but how society responds to those challenges is really what matters
One of the key ways American society changed its response to those challenges is it stopped enslaving young men to fight wars involuntarily.
Itâs fucking terrifying to hear someone so opinionated about huge groups of people, say the words âmy patientsâ.
What do you do?
Once the boomers stop voting for people who are legislating me out of existence, I will stop saying âokay boomerâ. Not until then.
Do what you want, youâre just falling for the con.
IninewCrowHow about the fact that as the overall population becomes top heavy with the elderly and fewer young people ⌠the economy wonât be able to sustain paying for older people because there will be too few young people driving the economy.
This isnât meant to divide ⌠this is an honest worry of mine because Iâm middle aged and by the time I get old and feeble, the economy probably wonât be able to afford to care for people my age.
Unless youâre a billionaire, millionaire or the child of one, weâre all screwed.
Just like abortion, retirement age, infrastructure spending, those things change and will be changed. They may change for the better or become far worse depending on your perspective.
ParsnipWitchWhat kind of perspective does one need to have to believe it is good when there are no resources (money, people) to care for the elderly?
The perspective of corporations or billionaires.
I just wanted to reply âbut those who arenât rich would sufferâ before I realised thatâs not part of the perspective of rich people, probablyâŚ
Definitely not the ultra rich, they canât relate. Theyâre like toddlers and middle schoolers, they think everyone has had the same experience. I had one wealthy friend that grew up that way that was sincerely a good person and donated tons of expertise and traded for services for those who couldnât afford them. They actually didnât understand why anyone wouldnât buy their condo or cars in full and in cash, because itâs so much more financially smart that way. Go figure.
Weâll save money on out-of-control healthcare costs if the elderly just died instead of lingered. A tree needs to have the dead or dying branches pruned or theyâll endanger the trunk. The elderly are willing to sacrifice themselves for the economy; thatâs what the Lt. Governor of Texas said during COVID.
Not supporting this perspective, but Iâve heard social darwinists say âthe weak should fear the strongâ and other horrid shit unironically.
ANGRY_MAPLEThese types people always talk as if theyâre immune to sudden, life-changing events. Itâs all fun and games until some random a-hole hits you while driving drunk and makes you permanently disabled. Maybe youâre unlucky and have your entire citu/neighbourhood burn down from an uncontrolled wildfire.
I know this type of scary talk. It also comes up when people talk about assisted suicide. Some people on the fringe believe it would be a good option for addicts, the homeless, etc.
They believe itâs a rational standpoint. In reality they ignore the consequence this approach would have for our society on a psychological level.
AtaraxiaI shoukd always have the right to choosing a comfortable death though. Otherwise Iâll have to go walk into the woods and hope mother nature isnât cruel that day.
blobstreaming.org/each-new-generation-finds-it-moâŚ
you arenât wrong and itâs a fair worry
Each New Generation Finds It More Difficult to Surpass the Wealth of Their Parents. The graph illustrates
The political, economic, and social system that emerged in Western countries after the Second World War was rooted in a straightforward promise: if you worked hard and exerted enough effort, you could consistently enjoy a better standard of living than your parents. This truth held for several decades, but the
A video that gives a simplified view of the problem
Why Korea is Dying Out
I donât disagree. Yet people on the top heavy side continue to disproportionately support the individuals who collectively make it more difficult to live comfortably at any age. Those at or around retirement age are in this situation almost purely as a result of their choices, and/or a colorful, almost deceitful, blindness.
I canât blame any of them though. Many of us below 40 have had access to a million points of data via the internet over the years. So identifying these issues has been much easier for your average person. Of course on the other handâŚ
I think the big issue is we canât seem to truly agree on a course of action long enough to make anything happen. SoâŚI donât know. Apart from us all pushing ourselves and people we trust into lower offices, I do not feel I am wise enough to suggest any solution.
We have never been able to afford the elderly because the elderly are extremely resource intensive. Getting old is extremely expensive and has been. Do not get old.
And the best way to avoid this in the future is to continue to lower the population so eventually we wonât have so many elderly people. Stop making people, they will likely get old and be unsustainable.
It gets even better: the high cost of essentials - especially housing - in relation to salaries makes said young people refrain from having as many kids as they would otherwise have (basically 1 or none instead of 2 or 3) meaning the problem is going to get worse.
It suddenly got me that this may be seen as capitalism (regarded by some as apex idea of humanity) is driving humanity extinct. Quite a sad irony
Capitalism is making the planet less livable for human. So yes, capitalism is driving humanity extinct.
what we can automate we do really well making the rest paying less than before.
In their defence, it is a difficult concept to grasp. My dad started his career shovelling gravel for a few dollars an hour. Now heâs a vice president making very good money. In his mind, anyone can replicate what he did by working hard instead of being lazy and asking for handouts.
I eventually got through to him one day when he was talking about hiring for a senior management position. He was interviewing all these people with fancy degrees and credentials. I asked why not promote one of his hard workers? He laughed and said the person needs to be more than a hard worker to manage multi-million dollar projects. But where would he be now if his old boss had thought the same thing? My dad has none of the credentials of the people he was interviewing. Heâd still be shovelling gravel 60 hours a week for minimum wage if nobody gave him the opportunity to advance. How could he think hard work will be rewarded when he doesnât even reward it himself? Thatâs when he admitted the world works differently now.
I read one story the young adult finally convinced his dad when he gave his dad a job posting for his old job. It payed less than when he had it, not even accounting for inflation.
I remember that story and can relate. It took showing my parents the cost of my tuition at a university now and comparing it to when they were 18, then doing the same for the yearly wage of a fast food worker, before they realized that cost inflation has out-paced wage inflation by a crazy amount and no, people canât just sustain themselves through college to get a leg up in society.
There was something a while ago where people were worried in the 70s-90s (canât remember the decade) where house prices had increased to 1.8x to 2.7x the Average annual income and were unaffordable.
So⌠yeahâŚ
Iâd love to see a source on this because itâs believable and insane
I was searching for apartments a few years ago when I still lived with my parents. My Dad was frustrated with my search taking so long (basically accusing me of dragging my feet) asked me why I kept saying I couldnât afford to live in any of the places near where we lived / my workplace (I live in one of the highest cost of living states in America). I made a bet with him that if he could find me an apartment that was within my budget of $2,200 within a month, I would sign the lease and move out as soon as they would let me move in. If he couldnât, he had to admit that finding an apartment in this area in this economy was not as easy as it was when he was my age (I was originally going to ask him to pay me $500 if he lost the wager, but he backed down from that so I took away any monetary incentive and just went for the moral victory instead).
Of course, three days after we made the bet, he came back to me and said âWhat happened to all the apartments that used to cost $800/month? These leases are more than what we pay for our mortgage!â. Somehow, he was still living in a reality so far removed from our own that he had no idea just how bad things had gotten.
Outside the US college is sometimes stilll a good path. Iâve seen people blow it (useless degrees with no plan to get a job with it, etc.). but if you pick the right field it helps a lot.
I donât believe itâs a difficult concept to grasp. Things have gotten worse in our lifetimes and we understand it. Whatâs stopping the average boomer? Itâs not their age, itâs Fox âNewsâ.
Whatâs stopping the average boomer? Itâs not their age, itâs Fox âNewsâ.
Lead poisoning may be a factor
Admitting that thereâs a problem usually also means that you admit that changes should happen. People like feeling comfy, and people like dealing with what they know. Change is uncomfortable, and it takes effort. Itâs the âfuck you I got mineâ mindset. I hate it, and I strongly believe itâs hindering the entire planetâs progress in almost every form.
âAll young people are badâ until they need life saving surgery. âDisability payments are badâ until dear olâ dad has an unexpected stroke that leaves him completely paralyzed. âMinimum wage is badâ until their personal lifelong industry dies. âYoung people are stupidâ until they need young people to take care of them in hospice. (Even then lmao) Itâs selfish and itâs short-sighted.
When I get old, I aspire to be that old person who plants trees that Iâll never see bloom. I want to help people in ways that Iâll never see. That shouldnât even be a âgood personâ thing. That should just be âbeing part of a society that doesnât want to cease existing after a few generationsâ.
I would feel like I had miserably failed if I ever ended up vying for future generations failure in the name of my own personal success. Itâs also a pretty weak goal to limit yourself to just âdoing betterâ at life than complete strangers. I take pride in what Iâve done, personally. I donât need to âdo betterâ than the next set of people to feel that pride. Itâs sad that so many need to treat others poorly to feel good about themselves. I would be embarrassed to act the way that Iâve seen many people act, personally.
What a state of things.
S/news/noose
Even still, werenât their dozens of people shoveling gravel and only a couple of vice presidents? The pyramid structure of corporations imply that not everyone can go from the entry level work to the c suite. Itâs an attrition and numbers game.
Plus, most companies now outsource their grunt work. The janitor cannot become the CEO anymore, because the janitor is a contracted worker, making minimum wage, not invited to the Christmas party, and prevented from speaking to anybody in a position of authority.
Oh, yes, the contractors, not-exactly-people existing only when convenient. And the conditions for them are usually bad even when their manager tries to improve those, because tops see no additional value in improving conditions for someone that doesnât exist work in the main corp
âThe world works differently nowâ is cope. He doesnât want to admit he pulled the ladder up behind him so itâs societyâs fault.
You really think OPâs dad is running the show?
I love telling boomers how easy their lives were and how they didnât need to work half as hard as todayâs youth.
Looks like the face of someone who doesnât know what a jpeg is.
kamenladyYou surely mean jfeg
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Do I look like I know what a JPEG is?
I just want a picture of a gatdang hot dog!