Whenever machines have become better than humans at anything, we’ve still placed more value on the handmade items. Same applies here. Keep creating! People love your oroginal stuff.

I hope originals will have a way to copyright it and if an AI uses it for anything, pays the artist. We have to keep up with this, or it’s going to be a very dark world where imagination goes quiet.

You are allowed to use copyrighted content for training. I recommend reading this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF if you haven’t already. The EFF is a digital rights group who most recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

Also remember that AI training isn’t only for mega-corporations. We can already train open source models, we shouldn’t put up barriers that only benefit the ultra-wealthy. If we weaken fair use, we hand corporations a monopoly of a public technology by making it prohibitively expensive to for regular people to keep up. Mega corporations already own datasets, and have the money to buy more. And that’s before they make users sign predatory ToS allowing them exclusive access to user data, effectively selling our own data back to us. Regular people, who could have had access to a competitive, corporate-independent tool for creativity, education, entertainment, and social mobility, would instead be left worse off and with fewer rights than where they started.

I disagree with that article 100%. They’re missing the spirit of copyright law which is to protect artists that create original work. They already try to protect musicians and do this in music with sampling. But instead of one artist stealing parts of your song or the spirit of the song, they’re coming after visual art from every angle because it’s a computer and like 10,000 people doing that. We should be able to copyright our work and have to agree for it to be used, the end. It’s ridiculous and greedy of these huge companies to do anything else.

Also, how fucked up is it that they liken it to the little guy competing with big companies, that’s not a thing. If they used public domain art, I don’t think any of this would be an issue. Do we own our own voice, imagination, likeness? I say yeah, we do. The corporations shouldn’t have the rights to those.

I disagree with that article 100%. They’re missing the spirit of copyright law which is to protect artists that create original work. They already try to protect musicians and do this in music with sampling. But instead of one artist stealing parts of your song or the spirit of the song, they’re coming after visual art from every angle because it’s a computer and like 10,000 people doing that. We should be able to copyright our work and have to agree for it to be used, the end. It’s ridiculous and greedy of these huge companies to do anything else.

To quote the article:

First, copyright law doesn’t prevent you from making factual observations about a work or copying the facts embodied in a work (this is called the “idea/expression distinction”). Rather, copyright forbids you from copying the work’s creative expression in a way that could substitute for the original, and from making “derivative works” when those works copy too much creative expression from the original.

Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Here, the fact that the model is used to create new works weighs in favor of fair use as does the fact that the model consists of original analysis of the training images in comparison with one another.

Just to be clear, I don’t give a shit about corporations, but what you want will hurt all artists and give corporations the unprecedented legal tools to take down anything they don’t feel like having around.

What part are you referencing here:

Also, how fucked up is it that they liken it to the little guy competing with big companies, that’s not a thing. If they used public domain art, I don’t think any of this would be an issue. Do we own our own voice, imagination, likeness? I say yeah, we do. The corporations shouldn’t have the rights to those.

I’m not really sure what this is about.

The article is only going by technicalities in the law, we need to close that loophole and go with the spirit of the law. We need to protect the human artist’s imagination and creations.

I’m not really sure what this is about.

Is this:

but what you want will hurt all artists and give corporations the unprecedented legal tools to take down anything they don’t feel like having around.

We can’t play by the existing rules, why would we want to? We need to make new rules. The actors union knew where this was going and created new rules for their actors and the visual arts need to do the same.

I don’t think there is some loophole that is against the spirit of the law, it works like this on purpose. In the US, fair use balances the interests of copyright holders with the public’s right to access and use information. There are rights people can maintain over their work, and the rights they do not maintain have always been to the benefit of self-expression and discussion. We shouldn’t be trying to make that any worse.

I think you’re going to regret your side of the conversation because this is not going to end well for artists if people like you get your way. You just want free art, free music and free entertainment unless you make it, that’s usually how it goes. And when I say “make it”, I mean steal from other artists with the right tag words.

I guess I want free art. There is nothing wrong with wanting a tool to help people better communicate, inspire, create, and connect with each other in ways they may not have been able to before.

We’re all standing on the shoulders of giants. We learn from each other, and humanity is at its best when we can all share in our advancements. Calling this stealing is self-serving, manipulative rhetoric that unjustly vilifies people and misrepresents the reality of how these models work.

It took us 100,000 years to get from cave drawings to Leonard Da Vinci. This is just another step, like artists who used Camera Obscura in the past. It’s important to remember that early man was as smart as we are, they just lacked the interconnectivity that we have.

Calling this stealing is self-serving, manipulative rhetoric that unjustly vilifies people and misrepresents the reality of how these models work.

So whatever you do for a living, give it to me free. We all stand on the shoulders of giants after all. Management? You have to manage for free, we learned that shit from our ancestors. Research, come on, I want it alllllll. Medical, heal me for free with the equipment that was based on older versions. Music? There aren’t that many chords to begin with, you didn’t create a note. Electrician? Work for free, you didn’t invent electricity or how to connect to the grid. Etc., etc., etc., etc.,. etc., etc., etc.,…

You’re beginning to understand.

Then you’re in the wrong country.

No, you just haven’t made it the right one yet.