Silent extinction rule

https://lemmy.world/post/8787491

Silent extinction rule - Lemmy.World

If a computer can create art better than you, maybe you’re a bad artist?

I don’t get this discussion at all. The internal combustion engine did away with horses. Do we mourn horses? Excavators replaced people with shovels, electric computers replaced their human predecessors, even alarm clocks replaced humans. Why do people who splatter paint on canvas think they deserve special treatment?

We don’t have to feed horses to cars so we can make cars. We need artists to create original works to feed AI.
Great. That means there is a natural demand for artists. If AI starts failing because it isn't fed enough art, the demand will rise.
Unfortunately, as evidenced by half of this comments section, a lot of people are starting think of artists as irrelevant. Unless this changes soon, art is going to really suck for a while. Especially for those of us making art but aren’t popular enough to weather the storm.

a lot of people are starting think of artists as irrelevant

I’ve thought that since childhood. I’m interested in the art. The pretty pictures, the nice music. Why should I care if a human or AI made it?

The only thing we need humans for (for now) is innovation. But then, listen to the billboard top 100 and tell me where you find innovation throughout these human artists. Take me to an art gallery and tell me how “I threw my brush at the canvas” has a right to exist next to “I threw my palette at the canvas” and “I throw a bucket of paint against the canvas”. Inform me how <DC movie number 28> differs meaningfully from number 27.

I think you might have a poor understanding of what art actually is or how it gets made. Sure there are some artists throwing random shit at a canvas, but there are significantly more that spend decades working their ass off perfecting their skills. The latter rarely get recognized for their work and aren’t making it on the top 100 lists, and AI is making it infinitely harder for them to be seen.

Also, AI would not exist without human artists creating the artworks that AI is trained on.

And we based digital brush patterns ans effects in computer art programs on real ones made by skilled artisans. Are you going to complain that digital artists are bad because they’re putting brush makers out of business?
digital art needs skill

If a computer can create better at than you, maybe it’s because the computer stole all your art and combined it with everyone else’s.

The replacement of art by AI has very little in common with the replacement of horses by cars. Art is an inherently subjective thing that does not fill a singular, tangible role in society. AI, by it’s very nature, can never properly replace human made art. Especially since AI art can only exist because of human creations.

Us artists don’t think we deserve special treatment, we just don’t want to see something we love get ruined because of a computer that stole all of our work.

the computer stole all your art and combined it with everyone else’s.

I’m literally begging people to actually learn how AI works before being loudly opinionated on it on the internet.

A big part of learning how AI works is recognizing some of the problems it creates. Also, I wasn’t trying to describe how AI works, just pointing out that a lot of AI is trained on misappropriated artwork.
AI works simply by sealing other peoples hard work and meshing it together using certain parameters. IT’s not complicated nor has it ever been complicated. all AI works simply by stealing from others
It’s not a matter of better, it’s a matter of quicker, easier and probably free. You have it backwards, if you get good AI art, then you have good/great artists that they’re pulling from. Think of all of those animations that already treat their animators poorly, they’re going to replace them in a heart beat. Same with video games. I don’t think these artists ever felt special, lol.

To be fair, every good artist is going to start out as a bad artist, but if people give up at that early stage, they’ll never get better. Personally though, I don’t think AI is going to replace artists, as a group. It will replace some artists, those who’s work is most readily replaceable and which don’t get some of their perceived value from the identity of the artist themselves, and this is going to cause real problems for these people that should not be ignored; but art as a whole will still exist, and even still exist as a profession. There are any number of niches where the identity of the artist themselves is part of the appeal of the art they make (for example, a painting of a soup can, by itself, is probably nothing particularly special or appealing as paintings go. A painting of a soup can by Andy Warhol is the sort of thing that might be displayed in art galleries and be considered very valuable. Or for a less “gallery art” example, if a small time artist who does, say, an independent animated cartoon series, or does character art commissions, or such, has acquired a fanbase around their work, they will probably still be able to get donations or commission requests from those people, because even if an AI could create something that looks similar, it would not have the appeal of being from that person for those fans.) That isn’t even getting into physical art mediums, I don’t expect that stable diffusion or whatever is going to replacing an artist who makes metal sculptures, for instance.

On some level, it might ultimately help some artists be more productive too. AIs that can create pictures from a prompt are cool and all, but just text isn’t always enough to clearly communicate an image one has in one’s head. I see no reason they also couldn’t be subtly incorporated into digital art tools to make it easier for an artist to create exactly what they are imagining, say, you could have an AI that figures out where the borders between objects are in a drawing and so lets one fill in lineart quickly even of it has gaps, or generate reference images from a specific angle at a chosen part of a drawing to help plan out how everything works in a scene, or fill in what is behind something when part of a drawing is erased (I’ve already seen tools that do that one).

Ultimately, I suspect that this will be somewhat analogous to how there are still tailors and blacksmiths in the world, even though we automated the production of clothing and metal tools long ago. There aren’t as many of them, sure, but their crafts still exist, there are still people that make a living doing those things, and those that exist today have tools their predecessors wouldn’t have dreamed of, like sewing machines and power hammers.

ai art isn't better

In many cases it actually is.

Plenty of artists think their art is hot shit when it is in fact just shit.