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MicroWave Nov 21, 2023

Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC

https://lemmy.world/post/8567176

Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC - Lemmy.World

The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty. The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”. It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

Jin Nov 22, 2023

Why did my comment get removed? Lol Men are biology stronger and faster than women that’s the truth. Biology born men will have an advance in women sports and ruin it for women.

Example “Serena williams lost to 203rd man”

My comment isn’t meant to X-phobic or ill intended. Be open to debate and not censorship on lemmy.

Franzia Nov 22, 2023

Trans women aren’t biologically men.

Sorry if my English is a bit weird. If they have the chromosomes (XY), then yes.

wafflez Nov 22, 2023

Being a man is not xy chromosomes. It’s a social construct normally situated around expressing masculinity in general, with no clear foundation. If you’re referring to male/female, this is also a social construct that fails to account for chromosomes outside of the xx/xy chromosome binary.

Hormones are the biggest genuine factor when it comes to sports and transwomen have generally the same athleticism as ciswomen due to HRT; and vice versa with men.

Jin Nov 22, 2023

No, chromosomes are not a social construct. They are physical structures in cells that carry genetic information and play a fundamental role in biological processes, including determining an individual’s sex. The concept of chromosomes is grounded in biology and genetics, not social constructs.

You can spin it all you want, but women are getting destroyed in sports by transwomen because they have physique of a man like bone structure and muscle mass.

PotatoKat Nov 22, 2023

XY are male right?

So males can give birth according to you

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Report of Fertility in a Woman with a Predominantly 46,XY Karyotype in a Family with Multiple Disorders of Sexual Development

Context: We report herein a remarkable family in which the mother of a woman with 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis was found to have a 46,XY karyotype in peripheral lymphocytes, mosaicism in cultured skin fibroblasts (80% 46,XY and 20% 45,X) and a predominantly ...

PubMed Central (PMC)

hungry_potato Nov 22, 2023

Artificially modified males whom you call trans men can be modifiedtog give birth. Doesn’t change theobjectiveity of what being a male is

PotatoKat Nov 22, 2023

Tell me you didn’t read the link without telling me you didn’t read the link. The case study is from a woman who was born with a vagina and ovaries and gave birth but upon a genetic test was revealed to have XY chromosomes.

(here’s the part where you pretend to have read it all along in your response)

jordanlund Nov 22, 2023

Removed for misinformation and transphobia.

pete_the_cat Nov 22, 2023

That’s a “rare” (or should I say “exclusive” since multiple family members have it?) mutation, being like “only XX females can give birth right? Shows link Checkmate transphobes!” isn’t really proving anything.

It’s as close to saying “people that can’t feel pain are superhumans” when they’re usually the opposite and have to live life in fear of constantly hurting themselves, sometimes severely, and being unaware of it.

PotatoKat Nov 22, 2023

The point is that chromosomes are clearly not what deterimes sex if a female was born with XY chromosomes. Genetic mutations are a part of life and we literally can’t know the percentage of females born with XY without testing literally everyone. Your mom could be XY and you’d never know unless she got tested. So if chromosomes don’t determine sex what do? Saying it’s a genetic mutation is a thought terminating cliche and allows you to continue living life without thinking deeply on the subject. Which, imo, is pretty anti-science.

Genetic anomalies don’t at all make something invalid. Did you know red hair is/was a genetic mutation? Does that make red hair not a hair color?

“There’s only black brown and blonde everything else is a genetic mutation”

pete_the_cat Nov 22, 2023

Of course genetic mutations are a pretty common thing, but some are minor (like your red hair example), some are “WTF? How did that happen?” mutations, and some are straight up deadly like the various forms of cancer.

Women being XX is a classification (?) we’ve all agreed on because like 99.8% of people with XX chromosomes are women. Mutations are literally something out of the ordinary that shouldn’t happen.* A woman shouldn’t have XY chromosomes because almost every woman in history that we know of has XX chromosomes*.

TimewornTraveler Nov 22, 2023

chromosomes are not a social construct

True, they exist in the physical world! But what chromosomes mean to us is indeed a social construct. Who cares what some little dingle in your nucleus says? People who follow socially constructed divisions in society based on this arbitrary physical thing, that’s who. 💝

Jin Nov 22, 2023

Last time my comment got deleted… I don’t if the link or something else.

Just search for it on YouTube “Five Times Trans Athletes Beat Thousands Of Women In Their Sports”

TimewornTraveler Nov 23, 2023

… your source is a YouTube video listicle??

Jin Nov 23, 2023

Easy to consume, but why don’t you just use search the names mentioned in the video? 😂

wafflez Nov 25, 2023

I said being a man is a social construct, not xy chromosomes.

Source about transwomen outcompeting ciswomen? All the headlines I see are heavilytakebn out of place along the lines of where a transwoman getting placed like 6000th in a big mararhon and fox news spins it saying how she beat 6000 ciswomen in a marathon

wafflez Nov 25, 2023

Our conceptualization of chromosomesansd how we relate them to being “man” or “woman” is a social construct. This is what I was referring to.

Transwomen are heavily taken out of context by the media in sports and I have yet to see any actual evidence that transwomen shouldnt be allowed in sports for women. Hormones play the most significant factor

Jin Nov 25, 2023

Any actual evidence

Getting first place or breaking records in women’s sport suddenly should be clear as day.

washingtontimes.com/…/transgender-weightlifter-br…

washingtontimes.com/…/transgender-swimmer-lia-tho…

washingtontimes.com/…/terry-miller-andraya-yearwo…

nypost.com/…/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event…

nypost.com/…/trans-swimmer-meghan-cortez-fields-s…

Transgender weightlifter breaks record in women's competition

A transgender weightlifter who formerly participated in the men's division dominated an international competition in her debut on the women's circuit.

The Washington Times

wafflez Nov 26, 2023

Laurel Hubbert is 45 years old, far from her “prime.” Regardless, even if someone wins a tournament just because they’re trans doesn’t conclude they had an advantage.

I cannot find any direct sources from Avi Silverberg. Many of the sources that exist present Avi as a male who just pretended to be a woman to protest against trans inclusion in sports.

Megan Cortez-Fields is literally in highscool sports getting death threats. The two races she won she didn’t even win by big margins: ramapoathletics.com/…/2023_Cougar_Splash_Results_…

In your terry miller / andrya yearwood link a doctor, Joanna Harper, directly agrees with me about hormones being the biggest factor. Chromosomes are not really important. I don’t believe trans individuals should compete with others of their gender without also having the same hormones.

Almost every athletic success any trans woman has is like this: not particularly outstanding compared to other women in the same sport, and not even close to the stats of men. The media just intentionally skews it to reinforce the confirmation bias of bigots. There are hundreds of sporting events everyday.

Cougar Splash full meet results (PDF)

Cougar Splash full meet results (PDF)

Ramapo College of New Jersey Athletics

Jin Nov 26, 2023

Okay we done here, I’m feeling like talking to flat earthers that can’t see pass their bypass.

It’s literally broken records

wafflez Nov 26, 2023

If that’s your opinion after I took the time to read your sources and responded adequately in a thorough to why they don’t conclude trans women shouldn’t compete in womens sports, then I don’t think anything can change your mind. Those are highschool records, if they’re broken records then provide reasons as to why you think that.

GreenM Nov 22, 2023

Social construct is the separation of gender from sex. In many languages it doesn’t even make sense because fe/male is used for animals or wo/men for humans while gender and sex are represented by single word.

pete_the_cat Nov 22, 2023

This whole argument of “gender vs sex” is ridiculous and always has been. Biology is what matters, not what words you use to refer to yourself or others.

PotatoKat Nov 22, 2023

You_irl

pete_the_cat Nov 22, 2023

I’m definitely not a conservative Republican, far from it.

I don’t give a damn what bathroom you use.

IMO this is like arguing whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.

PotatoKat Nov 22, 2023

Trans women and trans men are significantly closer to being intersex.