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Eugen RochkoI've switched from Chrome to Firefox about a decade ago. It's just as fast and intuitive, and container tabs are a game changer. It always catches me off guard when I see its market share is so low.
Víctor Vicente-Palacios@Gargron I use it in my personal computer and I'm not planning to change it. But professionally I have no choice but Chrome :(
Polychrome 
Agaguk@victorvicpal @Gargron why do you have to work with chrome 😲?
@victorvicpal @agaguk Oh. That’s rough.
@Gargron @victorvicpal and that's unfair. You deserve a computer with more SSDs.
Jay@Gargron @victorvicpal @agaguk also extremely common :(
I'm at a place where I can choose my browser for the first time in many years.
I'm at a place where I can choose my browser for the first time in many years.
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Simon Müller 
@victorvicpal @agaguk @Gargron
I think you might be able to get across the fact that it's not good to support another company that has partial control over your company. As in, they have a monopoly that they're starting to subtly abuse.
Ludovic
Pete@victorvicpal @agaguk @Gargron I've used @PortableApps for that very reason, it lets me use Firefox on most corporate systems.
@forpeterssake @agaguk @Gargron @PortableApps Thanks for the tip! I will try it.
I fear that it won't work because usb are blocked for almost everything.
I fear that it won't work because usb are blocked for almost everything.
@victorvicpal @agaguk @Gargron @PortableApps That's understandable, mine is the same way. But if you have permission to download files and store them in a local folder, you can often still use PortableApps and the portable version of Firefox.
PortableApps.com@forpeterssake @victorvicpal @agaguk @Gargron You can use Firefox Portable from your Documents folder or similar on most locked-down machines. You can pair it with the PA.c Platform for automatic updates to the app and your other apps. The Platform has an option to install to your user profile, making it easy to add, and add to your Windows Start menu.
Jeroen Franssen 🇧🇪
Stevez@victorvicpal @Gargron Out of curiosity: why is that?
Víctor Vicente-Palacios (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] My company won't let me have firefox. There is no reason, but I have no way to install it unless I can justify it in a way that is irrevocable.
Sabrina Web 
📎@victorvicpal @Gargron at work, I use Edge just for the sake of avoiding Chrome
@sabrinaweb71 @Gargron But Edge is also Chromium based, isn't it?
@victorvicpal @Gargron yes, I think so, but I think it's not as creepy as google chrome
Data π🐀@Gargron Google funded it to grow and dethrone IE, and then google competed with it and won.
MylesRyden@Gargron
I am a Vivaldi user for similar reasons.
The only reason I don't switch (back) to Firefox is the profile manager that Vivaldi has.
7sleepersmusic@Gargron I work at a University, Google handles our email and a lot of other services, so we're encouraged to use Chrome. I think that's common in academia, at least here in the USA. But I use FF anyway ;-)
BlueTurtle@Gargron I’m using the Brave browser since several years. It is Chrome minus tracking and ads. As ad blocking is implemented in the browser core and not added as an extension, it’s much faster and obviously harder to detect. At least I can still use YouTube without ads and nobody complains 😀.
@BlueTurtleAI @Gargron but it dors a lot a fishy stuff
@debellum Could you please give more details?
ErnstGucker
Dianora (Diane Bruce)@Gargron Yes it's a great little browser!
Kunikos@Gargron There is a quiet life without Google.
@Gargron Life is even better without Facebook or WhatsApp.
Avelar,Felipe@Gargron I'm stuck with safari, and i'm happy with it... The system integration with iMessages and iDevices is completely killer features.
Sam Thurston 
@Gargron I had a co-worker try to upbraid me about Firefox until he saw how many tabs I had open.
DigitalStefan@Gargron I have no choice but to use Chrome professionally, but I also find it strange that FF has such a low share.
@digitalstefan What do you mean when you say you have to use Chrome professionally? A specific website that only works in Chrome?
@Gargron My poor wording is to blame. I work on user tracking stuff as a job. Implementing / fixing consent management (cookie banners). Setting up server-side data collection. Diagnosing / fixing data collection faults.
Impossible to do in anything other than Chrome, because that's what users use and that's where all the debugging extensions work.
I could use Edge, because it's possible to install Chrome extensions in Edge, but Chrome is the standard, so that's what I have to use.
Darnell Clayton 
@Gargron @digitalstefan Many businesses use Chrome as the primary (if not only) browser for their intranet (mine does). They used Internet Explorer years ago, but now it is Chrome.
Use another browser & everything gets crazy! 😂
Esther Payne 
@darnell @Gargron @digitalstefan I remember when for some corporate Internets you could only use Internet Explorer 6 for several years when everyone else had upgraded.
Corporate computing can move at a glacial pace sometimes.
FediThing 
@onepict @darnell @Gargron @digitalstefan
I've had online medical appointments where the connection would only work through Chrome or Safari.
I'm sure it would have technically worked on Firefox, but the doctor's video chat system would just immediately reject it and tell me to install Chrome (which I didn't).
If I try to explain this as a problem to my doctor, they think I'm nuts.
(And I can understand that as doctors are not in IT, they think it's like someone complaining about the brand of telephone they use.)
There needs to be some IT-specific contact people can complain to if they're forced to use Chrome.
@onepict @darnell @Gargron @digitalstefan
It makes me wonder how much of this is due to Google trying to bounce developers into rejecting Firefox, or whether it's just lazy developers trying to save money on browser testing.
@FediThing @onepict @darnell @Gargron I don't think it's always a dev's fault. Clients are the ones likely to say "I only need this to work on Chrome and Safari" and the dev agency will write a statement of work agreeing to that in order to win the job.
The site probably will work in Firefox. Standards are pretty well adopted across browsers now. They just might not "support" it working in Firefox.
@digitalstefan @onepict @darnell @Gargron
Yeah... sounds like it could be what happened 😞
It ought to just have a warning saying "not tested on firefox" instead of blocking it completely. It wasn't like it was a safety-critical system either.
@FediThing @onepict @darnell @digitalstefan If you could only call your doctor using a specific brand of telephone that would be nuts.
@Gargron @FediThing @onepict @darnell There are still instances of "there's only an iOS app for this service", leaving Android users in the cold.
Stefan Monnier@digitalstefan @Gargron @FediThing @onepict @darnell Just a reminder that there's more than "iOS or Android"
@Gargron @onepict @darnell @digitalstefan
Exactly! It's very odd/scary to see healthcare mandating Google.
SubtleBlade ⚔️@FediThing @onepict @darnell @Gargron @digitalstefan
Would changing user agent in FF not have helped?
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/trick-websites-changing-user-agent-chrome/
Would changing user agent in FF not have helped?
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/trick-websites-changing-user-agent-chrome/
@SubtleBlade @onepict @darnell @Gargron @digitalstefan
Maybe, but it's unlikely that 99.9999% of people would know that.
Mélani (Melanie) Bjornsdottir (she, ŝi)@onepict @darnell @Gargron I think the reason for a lot of the "stickiness" of IE6 in the corporate world was because of IE6-specific tech that corpo-devs absolutely loved, that then took a lot of other tech advancements to match / exceed in terms of capability, plus then the natural, glacial slowness of corporate project completion.
Borys Pierov@Gargron And with Sidebery extension built on top of containers Firefox becomes simply transformative! 😍
Karl Name 
@Gargron I'm using it since Netscape.
Dan 🦺 Deboer@Gargron Container tabs are the killer feature for me.
Tomcat@Gargron There's nothing to be surprised about. It's a consequence of their policy when support for old extensions was discontinued. Their attitude towards users is disgusting.
bartosz 🚲🌳🐍🦀@Gargron same here. I use FF on my private laptop and my phone bu at work I am forced to use Chrome, I never understood why 🤷♂️