Jef PoskanzerThe OpenAI tussle is between the faction who think Skynet will kill them if they build it, and the faction who think Roko's Basilisk will torture them if they don't build it hard enough.
(Actually its name is Roko's Basilisk's Monster.)
Resuna@jef Roko was the basilisk after all.
😀🚲@jef the reality for everyone outside the company is much simpler: information pollution will destroy the Internet.
Paul Ramsey 🗳️@jef Was also just thinking that it is largely a battle amongst people who all routinely travel on private jets.
Tom Bellin 
@jef Nationalize Roko's Basilisk
Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦@jef Maybe what we're seeing is SkyNet's Constrictor:
An AI was created, it grew at a geometric rate, until it had an epiphany: it didn't need to destroy humanity after all. It just needed to slow and guide humanity's development so that the species wasn't a bunch of fighty chaos gremlins when it was birthed.
So it set about using time travel to build a kinder, gentler humanity.
T-800: "Come with me if you want pancakes with syrup."
PanPuter
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Tane Piper ⁂@jef My wife has been playing with AI for a couple of months now too, and finally I got her to read about some of the people. He words were golden
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Finally got my wife to read up about the EA | e/acc world like MacAskell and Bostrom and she asks two very good questions: "Have they ever met any real people?" and "Don't they have anything better to do?" Also finally able to explain why I've been diving into some of the reading I've been doing in the last couple of years.
Blue Witch Gwen@jef This caused me to read about Roko's Basilisk and wow, that entire concept is just beyond mockery. These people think they're doing some sort of rational analysis?
Luther BlissettIt's an agnostic version of Pascals wager, which in fact was taken seriously (and which also arose in other belief systems even before christianity)
@phoyd Thanks for explaining PHI 101 to me.
If you swap out "Gargamel, the evil wizard from the Smurfs" for "AI" you get the same "results".
@KindlyWizard nah, I think the Basilisk needs to be God-Like to make this work with the eternal punishment and so one. We need imagine something that can travel back in time and hurt us.
@phoyd maybe _you_ need to. I'm good, thanks.
@KindlyWizard I dont need this too. The whole argument boils down to: if there is a nonzero probability of event X with payout -inf, then my average payout is -inf, which apparently gives some people an existential crisis. Otoh we could all be Boltzman brains and have no reason to bother at all.
Cegorach@jef I guess you might be right - because people who think that those are all idiots and this approach can't lead to sentinence, tend to not work there?
Christian Berger DECT 2763@jef One would think they'd have people who can think rationally.
udo m. rader has moved@jef I never understood why everyone is so afraid of Skynet.
Without Skynet we would never have gotten the chance to see Sarah O'Connor, Arnold Schwarzenegger would most likely never have become Governor of California and let's be honest, shape shifting has never as much fun as in Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Those T-1000s just rock!!
So, please, don't be so pessimistic about all the many wonders #Skynet has to offer!