"Going anywhere for the holidays?"
"Yes, upstate."
"Plane or car?"
"Oh Jesus no! Train."
"How long will that take?"
"9 hours. But my vacation starts when I get on the train, not when I get off the plane. It's much less stressful."
"You know... I can see that..."

Folks, I may have a made a convert today. Let's be real. Driving is work, and flying is torture. A train ride, might seem "long" but did you count all the time you spend getting to the airport, the security checks? The silly rules?

People who think "flying is faster" are falling for airplane propaganda. Take a day to travel. It gives you time to think, you can watch movies on your laptop and read. You can have a nice sit down dinner. Your ears won't pop and your legs won't cramp. No security people will yell at you for having too big shampoo.

The last time I flew was a decade ago. But I've been all the way to Alaska and beyond nonetheless. Travel itself should be part of the "vacation" not what you do when you get there

@futurebird last time my partner and I went to London from Germany, we did so by train.

In the end, the Journey took about the same time as I would have by plane, but we were comfortable the whole time.

Plus, when the train arrived in London, it arrived in London, not ~50 km (I may be exaggerating) outside of London, and then you have to take a train into London anyway. (but a bad train, made in England)

@meena @futurebird ah, London Southend airport, 58km from London, served by Electrostar trains made in England? (Heathrow is closer, while Luton, Gatwick and Stansted are linked by German and Swiss made trains, although some Electrostars also serve Gatwick-London)
@mjr tbh, aside from exaggerating, the most England made about English trains is the neoliberalisation of the "service"
@meena yeah, thankfully largely undone by unfranchising during the first covid lockdown. At least most of our trains don't have airline style check in and security like Spanish high speed lines.