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tree Nov 16, 2023

Israeli army executes an elderly Palestinian after using him in propaganda campaign about its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza

https://lemmy.zip/post/5640431

Israeli army executes an elderly Palestinian after using him in propaganda campaign about its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza - Lemmy.zip

> Geneva – The Israeli army’s execution of an elderly Palestinian after using him in a propaganda campaign promoting its “safe corridor” in Gaza was strongly condemned in a statement released by Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor today. > > The rights organisation expressed outrage over Israel’s incorporating the man into its attempt to cover up horrific crimes against displaced Palestinians fleeing Israeli violence in the northern Gaza Strip. > > Israel’s army released a photo of one of its soldiers talking to Bashir Hajji, a 79-year-old resident of Gaza City’s Zaytoun neighborhood, as he travelled on Salah al-Din Road, the main route to the southern Gaza Valley. The soldier in the photo appears to be helping and protecting displaced Palestinian civilians, said Euro-Med Monitor, yet Hajji was subjected to a field execution on the morning of Friday 10 November. > > The elderly man’s granddaughter, Hala Hajji, told the Euro-Med Monitor team that her grandfather was brutally executed while crossing the “safe corridor” when members of the Israeli army intentionally shot him in the head and back. She also confirmed that he is in the photo that was put out by Israel—exposing the Israeli army’s dangerous practice of flagrantly fabricating stories. > > Euro-Med Monitor stated that it has previously documented dozens of cases where the Israeli army executed displaced Palestinians by live bullets and, in some cases, by artillery shells. Those displaced were attempting to flee to the south of Wadi Gaza at the Israeli army’s request. > > Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor renewed its calls for the United Nations and the International Criminal Court to open an urgent independent investigation into the execution crimes to which displaced Palestinians have been and are still being subjected to, to hold those who ordered such crimes accountable, and to achieve justice for the victims. link: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5944/Israeli-army-executes-an-elderly-Palestinian-after-using-him-in-propaganda-campaign-about-its-‘safe-corridor’-in-Gaza [https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5944/Israeli-army-executes-an-elderly-Palestinian-after-using-him-in-propaganda-campaign-about-its-%E2%80%98safe-corridor%E2%80%99-in-Gaza]

idoubledo Nov 16, 2023

The terrorist group Hamas has been actively preventing evacuation, and according to reports opening live fire on Palestinians trying to evacuate throughout this war.

Big title with little evidence this case was any different, coming from a highly non-objective organization that failed to find a single issue with Hamas, the sole government in Gaza, which took all the aid money and turn it into rockets.

theguardian.com/…/first-thing-hamas-tells-gaza-ci…

First Thing: Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation

UN says order affecting 1.1 million people will spark ‘devastating humanitarian consequences’ amid likely Israeli ground assault

The Guardian

NoneOfUrBusiness Nov 16, 2023

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-Mediterranean_Human_Rights_Monitor

This is your "highly non-objective organization". At this point you need sources. And let's face it, Hamas was right to tell civilians to not evacuate. Do you have the slightest idea how messy a complete evacuation of the north Gaza strip would be like?

Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor - Wikipedia

WhiteHawk Nov 16, 2023

I’m no expert, but it took me about 30s to find out that the organisation’s founder is Palestinian, so I’m not sure that’s a good sign for their objectivity

Madison420 Nov 16, 2023

I just find out you speak English, I’m not sure that’s a good sign for your objectivity.

WhiteHawk Nov 16, 2023

English is the most spoken language in the world.

Madison420 Nov 16, 2023

Correct, there’s 5 million Palestinians… Can we trust any of them?

Depends on the context. But I doubt any of them can be objective about a war their own country is involved in.

Madison420 Nov 16, 2023

Can you be objective as an English speaker which heavily implies former British colony or heavily influenced by English power?

WhiteHawk Nov 16, 2023

I am not a native English speaker.

Madison420 Nov 16, 2023

It’s that supposed to be more a of a reason to trust our distrust you based on things you cannot change.

WhiteHawk Nov 16, 2023

Yeah, you’re gonna have to fix those typos, because I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

Madison420 Nov 16, 2023

I’m not in the habit of catering to bad faith argument.

Oh id love to know what country that is so I can defeat that idea. You speak English for a reason and it isn’t because it’s fantastic and fun.

WhiteHawk Nov 17, 2023

Weird, because bad faith arguments seem to be kind of your thing.

The reason I speak English is, as I already said, that it’s the most spoken language in the world. It’s not that hard to understand. Though if speaking English made me biased against Palestine, why isn’t it doing the same to you? Do you not speak English?

Madison420 Nov 17, 2023

Not at all.

Yes because of English influence just like I said and you denied. I’m not the one making crazy statements about some dude from Palestine. Everyone has bias, why you would think without evidence that you cannot trust someone solely because they’re from Palestine is beyond me.

WhiteHawk Nov 17, 2023

A lot of pretty simple things seem to be beyond you, so I’m not surprised.

Madison420 Nov 17, 2023

And yet you refuse to explain your position in any logical fashion.

WhiteHawk Nov 17, 2023

It’s quite simple, really: You seem to believe speaking English, like billions of other people on this planet, makes me biased. At the same time, an organization founded by someone from one of the countries involved in the conflict is apparently objective. That does not make sense in any way, shape or form. Is that clear enough to you?

Madison420 Nov 17, 2023

It’s quite simple, really: you seem to believe being Palestinian, like millions of other people on this planet, makes them biased. At the same time, a comment made from one of the English speaking lemmings involved In commentary is appearantly objective. That did not make sense in any way, shape or form. Is that clear enough to you?

I’m bad with over-using commas but damn dude they don’t even make sense here most of the time.

WhiteHawk Nov 17, 2023

So you think the two are equivalent? You really don’t see how someone could be biased on topics that concern their own country? Are you actually listening to yourself?

Most Palestinians probably speak English as well. According to your logic, that would make them biased against Palestine, then?

Btw you don’t need to further prove your ignorance of the English language, you’ve done enough of that that already.

Madison420 Nov 17, 2023

I’ve not said nor implied that bud. I don’t see how anyone could not be biased towards English nations while speaking English. Are you actually listening to yourself?

Some certainly do yes, that would make them biased towards England… You know the country who occupied mandatory Palestine.

Yeah hemiparesis is a bitch to get used to, that said even though you doubt my grasp of the English language (though I’m an educated native speaker) doesn’t change the fact your argument is bigoted trash. Judge things in facts not perceptions.

WhiteHawk Nov 17, 2023

Next time, maybe try coming up with some actual arguments rather than parroting other people’s, though. That might make you sound at least a bit less stupid.

Or at least try to think about what the sentences you’re copying even mean, because that’s exactly what they implied.

Madison420 Nov 17, 2023

Oh the irony.

I don’t need to at this point, you’re not going to listen anyway so at this point fucking with you is entertaining.

You haven’t been right about anything yet, why start now huh?

WhiteHawk Nov 18, 2023

Why would I listen to your arguments when they sound like something a preschooler would come up with? I am generally quite open-minded, it is not impossible to change my mind on a lot of things. It doesn’t really feel like you’re trying, though. You seem to have given up actually trying to make a point quite a while ago.

I can tell you something I know I am right about: nobody here is unbiased. Not you, not me, not the guy that posted this. It’s pretty much impossible to actually be objective in this conflict. However, it takes no more than a few minutes of looking at the website of this “news” organization (it really isn’t) to find out that most of their “news” articles on this conflict are unfounded accusations against Isreael with no source other than “someone told us”. You’d have to be insane to actually believe everything they say. There’s a reason no serious news outlet uses them as a source.

Madison420 Nov 18, 2023

Ok. Let’s end this what exactly the frick is your issue with me.

State it directly and we’ll deal with it because I’m tired of your childish horseshit.

Say what you want or fuck off.

WhiteHawk Nov 18, 2023

I believe your issue is that you’re taking this discussion personally. I really don’t care about you. You aren’t that important, sorry.

Madison420 Nov 18, 2023

I’m taking it personally?

You’re entire argument is that we can’t trust a Palestinian on the ground in Palestine simply because they’re Palestinian, not because they’ve said anything false misleading or incorrect but simply because you feel like they could be biased. You don’t even see how fucking biased you are proving yourself to be by claiming they’re biased without a single shread of evidence.

Fuck off back to under your bridge bud.

WhiteHawk Nov 18, 2023

You are taking it personally, as proven by your childish insults.

If you had taken some time to think about what I said instead of getting angry, you would have perhaps noticed that I never said that we couldn’t trust anyone from Palestine. Rather that this article cites no credible and verifiable sources and that their ties to Palestine are a possible explanation for why they might not be completely objective in their reporting.

Though I wonder, do you always believe wartime propaganda without any independent verification? Would, say, a Russian article about Ukrainian warcrimes be 100% believable to you? After all, just because they’re Russian, doesn’t mean anything they said is false, misleading or incorrect. You might just be biased against them.