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Israeli army executes an elderly Palestinian after using him in propaganda campaign about its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza

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Israeli army executes an elderly Palestinian after using him in propaganda campaign about its ‘safe corridor’ in Gaza - Lemmy.zip

> Geneva – The Israeli army’s execution of an elderly Palestinian after using him in a propaganda campaign promoting its “safe corridor” in Gaza was strongly condemned in a statement released by Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor today. > > The rights organisation expressed outrage over Israel’s incorporating the man into its attempt to cover up horrific crimes against displaced Palestinians fleeing Israeli violence in the northern Gaza Strip. > > Israel’s army released a photo of one of its soldiers talking to Bashir Hajji, a 79-year-old resident of Gaza City’s Zaytoun neighborhood, as he travelled on Salah al-Din Road, the main route to the southern Gaza Valley. The soldier in the photo appears to be helping and protecting displaced Palestinian civilians, said Euro-Med Monitor, yet Hajji was subjected to a field execution on the morning of Friday 10 November. > > The elderly man’s granddaughter, Hala Hajji, told the Euro-Med Monitor team that her grandfather was brutally executed while crossing the “safe corridor” when members of the Israeli army intentionally shot him in the head and back. She also confirmed that he is in the photo that was put out by Israel—exposing the Israeli army’s dangerous practice of flagrantly fabricating stories. > > Euro-Med Monitor stated that it has previously documented dozens of cases where the Israeli army executed displaced Palestinians by live bullets and, in some cases, by artillery shells. Those displaced were attempting to flee to the south of Wadi Gaza at the Israeli army’s request. > > Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor renewed its calls for the United Nations and the International Criminal Court to open an urgent independent investigation into the execution crimes to which displaced Palestinians have been and are still being subjected to, to hold those who ordered such crimes accountable, and to achieve justice for the victims. link: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5944/Israeli-army-executes-an-elderly-Palestinian-after-using-him-in-propaganda-campaign-about-its-‘safe-corridor’-in-Gaza [https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5944/Israeli-army-executes-an-elderly-Palestinian-after-using-him-in-propaganda-campaign-about-its-%E2%80%98safe-corridor%E2%80%99-in-Gaza]

Nov 16, 2023 at 7:42amWeb
Show threadWaxedWookieNov 16, 2023

I mean condemnation is a great start, but Israel isn’t going to stop killing Palestinians until they’re stopped, or there’s no Palestinians left to kill.

Their rhetoric has made it clear that killing civilians isn’t an unfortunate consequence of stopping Hamas - it’s the objective, and they propped up Hamas over the PLO to create the pretext for this.

Show threadTheNov 16, 2023
They taking the USA’s Native Americans approach after the apartheid South African government approach. Didn’t yield what they wanted.
Show threadjonneNov 16, 2023
I mean, they call the Israelis that are taking land in the West Bank ‘settlers’. It’s colonial language that is explicitly meant to designate the Palestinians as ‘natives’ that need to be conquered. Similar to the ‘settling’ of the Americas or Australia, the people that were already there don’t count, don’t have rights and are basically a nuisance.
Show threadWaxedWookieNov 16, 2023
In the case of Australia, it was arguably a bit worse than that - the legal “terra nullius” justification translates to “nobody’s land”. At best, it said that there was no civilisation here - in reality, the general consensus seems to have been closer to “they’re just animals”. The way they were treated did nothing to suggest otherwise.
Show threadjonneNov 17, 2023
Israel is treating Palestine as terra nullus as well. You can just waltz in, take someone’s house, and the IDF will defend you. And it’s not like the courts are an option for recourse either.
Show threadWaxedWookieNov 17, 2023
Functionally, it’s not much different - a militarily dominant power invading with the backing of the bulk of the West, committing a genocide to sieze the territory.
Show threadidoubledoNov 16, 2023

The terrorist group Hamas has been actively preventing evacuation, and according to reports opening live fire on Palestinians trying to evacuate throughout this war.

Big title with little evidence this case was any different, coming from a highly non-objective organization that failed to find a single issue with Hamas, the sole government in Gaza, which took all the aid money and turn it into rockets.

theguardian.com/…/first-thing-hamas-tells-gaza-ci…

First Thing: Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation

UN says order affecting 1.1 million people will spark ‘devastating humanitarian consequences’ amid likely Israeli ground assault

The Guardian
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 16, 2023

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-Mediterranean_Human_Rights_Monitor

This is your "highly non-objective organization". At this point you need sources. And let's face it, Hamas was right to tell civilians to not evacuate. Do you have the slightest idea how messy a complete evacuation of the north Gaza strip would be like?

Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor - Wikipedia

Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
I’m no expert, but it took me about 30s to find out that the organisation’s founder is Palestinian, so I’m not sure that’s a good sign for their objectivity
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 16, 2023
I mean they're biased; that's normal. The thing is: Does that bias get in the way of the factuality of their reporting? Given that they have a pretty long track record, there needs to be a source that proves they're unreliable.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
Idk and I don’t really care enough to research it, I just wanted to point out that that article makes it quite easy to find reasons for why they would be biased.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
It didn’t, it makes it easy to add your bias.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
Add it to what?
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
You can’t see your parent comment can you?
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
Not on mobile, but that’s besides the point. The point is - do you seriously believe the organization led by someone from a country engaged in a war is going to be objective in judging what one of the parties in said war is doing? Because if you do, I’ve got a bridge to sell to you.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
It’s wildly relevant, you should open in browser and look at my comments because you sir are very confused.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 17, 2023
I already read them and replied accordingly. If you don’t understand that, you’re the confused one.
Show threadMadison420Nov 17, 2023
You replied, doesn’t actually seem like you read them though.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
I just find out you speak English, I’m not sure that’s a good sign for your objectivity.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
English is the most spoken language in the world.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
Correct, there’s 5 million Palestinians… Can we trust any of them?
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
Depends on the context. But I doubt any of them can be objective about a war their own country is involved in.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
Can you be objective as an English speaker which heavily implies former British colony or heavily influenced by English power?
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
I am not a native English speaker.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023
It’s that supposed to be more a of a reason to trust our distrust you based on things you cannot change.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 16, 2023
Yeah, you’re gonna have to fix those typos, because I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
Show threadMadison420Nov 16, 2023

I’m not in the habit of catering to bad faith argument.

Oh id love to know what country that is so I can defeat that idea. You speak English for a reason and it isn’t because it’s fantastic and fun.

Show threadWhiteHawkNov 17, 2023

Weird, because bad faith arguments seem to be kind of your thing.

The reason I speak English is, as I already said, that it’s the most spoken language in the world. It’s not that hard to understand. Though if speaking English made me biased against Palestine, why isn’t it doing the same to you? Do you not speak English?

Show threadMadison420Nov 17, 2023

Not at all.

Yes because of English influence just like I said and you denied. I’m not the one making crazy statements about some dude from Palestine. Everyone has bias, why you would think without evidence that you cannot trust someone solely because they’re from Palestine is beyond me.

Show threadWhiteHawkNov 17, 2023
A lot of pretty simple things seem to be beyond you, so I’m not surprised.
Show threadMadison420Nov 17, 2023
And yet you refuse to explain your position in any logical fashion.
Show threadWhiteHawkNov 17, 2023
It’s quite simple, really: You seem to believe speaking English, like billions of other people on this planet, makes me biased. At the same time, an organization founded by someone from one of the countries involved in the conflict is apparently objective. That does not make sense in any way, shape or form. Is that clear enough to you?
Show threadMadison420Nov 17, 2023

It’s quite simple, really: you seem to believe being Palestinian, like millions of other people on this planet, makes them biased. At the same time, a comment made from one of the English speaking lemmings involved In commentary is appearantly objective. That did not make sense in any way, shape or form. Is that clear enough to you?

I’m bad with over-using commas but damn dude they don’t even make sense here most of the time.

Show threadWhiteHawkNov 17, 2023

So you think the two are equivalent? You really don’t see how someone could be biased on topics that concern their own country? Are you actually listening to yourself?

Most Palestinians probably speak English as well. According to your logic, that would make them biased against Palestine, then?

Btw you don’t need to further prove your ignorance of the English language, you’ve done enough of that that already.

Show threadMadison420Nov 17, 2023

I’ve not said nor implied that bud. I don’t see how anyone could not be biased towards English nations while speaking English. Are you actually listening to yourself?

Some certainly do yes, that would make them biased towards England… You know the country who occupied mandatory Palestine.

Yeah hemiparesis is a bitch to get used to, that said even though you doubt my grasp of the English language (though I’m an educated native speaker) doesn’t change the fact your argument is bigoted trash. Judge things in facts not perceptions.

Show threadScary le PooNov 18, 2023
It’s not just that. By leaving they lose everything to the settlers. There are very good reasons for not leaving.
Show threadTWeaKNov 16, 2023

I mean, at first glance your comment sounds potentially at least as biased as the accusation you’re making against Euro-Med Monitor.

There are a couple other news sources repeating this story (specifically Middle East Monitor and Middle East Eye - both of these directly reference EMM), with no further details, however these would have more apparent bias than EMM. No western publications have reported on it. The root source is his granddaughter. However, it could be expected that other places wouldn’t report on it without being able to verify themselves, eg speaking to the granddaughter, which generally isn’t possible right now. That doesn’t mean the quote isn’t genuine, any more than it disproves Hamas killing him.

Is there any particular reason you hold Euro-Med Monitor’s publication in doubt? You mention them failing to find a single fault with Hamas, what’s that about?

Show threadHyperrealityNov 16, 2023

There are a couple other news sources repeating this story (specifically Middle East Monitor and Middle East Eye

I googled those:

Saudi Arabia has accused MEE of being a news outlet funded by Qatar (both directly and indirectly). On 22 June 2017, during the Qatar diplomatic crisis, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Egypt, and Bahrain, as part of a list of 13 demands, demanded that Qatar close Middle East Eye, which they saw as sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood and a Qatari-funded and aligned outlet ... On 20 October 2022, MEE cut ties with Palestinian journalist Shatha Hammad after it was discovered that she made a Facebook post in 2014 which praised Adolf Hitler for "sharing the same ideology" and the Holocaust. ... Commentator Ibrahim Alkhamis writing in the Saudi newspaper Arab News claimed that the MEE of propagating rumours and fabrications regarding the Qatar's state enemies such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt, while being silent on the misdeeds of Qatars on the members of its royal family and said MEE functions as an "extension to Al Jazeera" without being accused as a state-owned news outlet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye

MEMO is largely focused on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but writes about other issues in the Middle East as well. MEMO is pro-Palestinian in orientation and supports Islamist causes.[8][9] MEMO is regarded as an outlet for the Muslim Brotherhood and its website strongly promotes pro-Hamas related content. MEMO is financed by the State of Qatar. Daud Abdullah, former assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, serves as the director of the organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Monitor

Middle East Eye - Wikipedia

Show threadTWeaKNov 16, 2023

So criticism of MEE and MEM means that EMM is not to be trusted? I asked about EMM, which was where the initial criticism was levied.

However, it should be said that EMM’s Strategy Director has also reported for MEE.

Show threadHyperrealityNov 16, 2023

Bit more than some criticism though. Both seem to be defacto propaganda outlets for the Muslim Brotherhood / Qatar.

Of course, that doesn't mean this story didn't happen, it's just that like a story on Russia Today, it's probably best to take it with a large pinch of salt.

And it's not as if it's easy to find unbiased reporting from middle-eastern sources anyway. Eg. Al-Jazeera's also a flaming pile of poop (especially the arabic version which doesn't try to maintain a veneer of respectability), but if you disregard everything they report (even if it is potentially biased or cherry picked) that's also very problematic because they're often the only ones on the ground.

But I broke a promise to myself to avoid wading into discussions on this topic. They inevitably end in shit flinging, given it's such an emotive subject. Not as if it's going to change anything anyway.

Show threadTWeaKNov 16, 2023

Of course, that doesn’t mean this story didn’t happen, it’s just that like a story on Russia Today, it’s probably best to take it with a large pinch of salt.

Absolutely. I’m just asking if there’s anything specific about EMM that calls them into question. To me, it seems they have an inherent bias, but that doesn’t mean their reporting isn’t objective when taking that into account. I’ve certainly seen questionable articles from MEM, but that doesn’t mean that similar or affiliated outlets are as bad.

The story itself is rooted in a quote from his granddaughter. It could be that the quote is false, it could be that she lied, it could be that she was pressured to lie after Hamas killed her grandfather. It could also be completely true. The most annoying thing is how hard it is for independent journalists to verify anything, what with how Gaza has been cut off from the rest of the world by Israel.

I hope you don’t feel like I was slinging shit your way, that wasn’t my intention.

Show threadHyperrealityNov 16, 2023

I hope you don’t feel like I was slinging shit your way, that wasn’t my intention.

Oh, no. You were being perfectly civil.

It's just that IME debating this topic often goes off the rails, for perhaps understandable reasons.

Show threadAniki 🌱🌿Nov 16, 2023
Yawn
Show threadOmega_HaxorsNov 16, 2023
Show threadspittingimageNov 16, 2023
They did not ‘execute’ him. We use a different word when soldiers illegally kill non-combatants in a safe zone.
Show threadAnnoyed_🦀 Nov 16, 2023
Killtrocity?
Show threadRizzRustboltNov 16, 2023
Another killtrocity in the Ballocaust!
Show threadKlearNov 16, 2023
Retiring?
Show threadcannacheNov 17, 2023

Safe zone, kill zone.

I can only imagine the future where some guy with special goggles that highlights people in the kill zone and automatically colours over their faces to make it easier to pull the trigger.

Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 16, 2023
Just in case anybody thinking Israel actually cares about civilians.
Show threadfufuNov 16, 2023
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Show threadTouching_GrassNov 16, 2023
Sounds like they’re killing a bunch of innocent civilians like Nazis did.
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 16, 2023
Welcome to Palestine.
Show threadMuuuaadDibNov 17, 2023
No, it doesn’t sound like that at all, it is that. And Zionism is the “chosen people” so you are correct, just a twist on the “master race” for 2023.
Show threadRed Wizard 🪄Nov 17, 2023
Manifest Destiny even!
Show threadOmega_HaxorsNov 18, 2023
You might even call it lebensraum.
Show threadColorcodedResistorNov 16, 2023
This is Israel. Don’t catch you slippin’ now.
Show threadTavarinNov 17, 2023
According to them, saying someone said something. This isn’t news.
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 18, 2023
This is a decently reputable organization whose source is apparently the man's granddaughter.
Show threadTavarinNov 18, 2023
No it’s not, and the source is they claim she said it.