m_fThis Captcha
mateomauiGreat, now they expect you to be thinking about lighting temperature terms. People who don’t do photography or haven’t read light bulb boxes won’t know wtf this means.
xigoiDon’t overthink it. Just select the interior ones.
Are you sure about that? Because I’m not.
All the other ones are literally in the snow.
Yet different snow images have warm or cool color tones, some matching that of the example image, and the center shot appears to be a cooler color tone. You could be correct, but you could also be wrong. Again, it seems like some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, where sometimes the obvious looking answer isn’t the correct one.
It's Maddie!“Please select all images which evolve melancholy as opposed to existential dread.”
That’s like, your opinion man
thisPlease try again
Okay I’ll click the green ones
Sorry, but we cannot verify that you are human, please try again later.
Hey man,open up. It’s me, Dave. I got the stuff.
MeatsOfRage“choose the roads that fill you with ennui moreso than the avenues that give you a sense of listless”
Sabre363I love how so many of these images meant to fool bots are literally generated by AI
Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.
Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.
You think 3,6 and 9 are warmer than 4?
I explicitly left out 4.
3, 4, 6, 8 surely.
I’m serious, do not call my Shirley.
3, 4, 6, 8 have the kind of lighting that a person might be drawn towards. The kind of thing they’re trying to train AI towards. My answers are meant to seem like the kind that AI would accept as a human answer, while also being wrong to the human eye.
It’s 4D chess. You have to predict what the AI thinks you would think, and agree with that, while providing an objectionable answer to the things AI is uncertain about.
If they want the right answer, they should be paying us for it. They’re a business, labor shouldn’t be free for them.
pimento64ITT: lemmings who don’t know about color temperature
It's the two that aren't outside in the snow.
Exactly. Not that you would need it, but it even gives an example image showing the inside of a room lol
Theyre no longer trying to keep bots out. They’re trying to keep humans out. This is exactly the type of thing a bot would be best at. They can probably tell you the estimated temperature to 3 decimals places of each picture.
FuglyDuckTuring tests aren’t just about knowing things that a human would. Bots giving a perfect answer where humans would struggle is a perfectly acceptable way to filter.
While it wouldn’t be cost effective to write a bot to bypass this, many websites that are employing this hcaptcha are intentionally choosing the harder to solve questions to push VIP subscriptions and similar stuff.
ZinkWhy the hell are these needed
To train ai models
Mossy Feathers (She/Her)Yep, in this case they’re trying to train an AI on more abstract or “human” characteristics like whether or not something appears warm. That’s what these kinds of captchas are doing though, they’re outsourcing AI training.
I'd be with you if it weren't so obvious.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
You have to touch the screen. The one thing bots can’t do.
The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is
Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?
More surprising is how apparently some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, and what seems like the obvious answer sometimes isn’t.
my man, its a blizzard and indoors, what part of that has any more nuance than being beaten over the head with the answer
The different snow images have different color tones, some matching that of the example image. The center image has a cool color tone, which doesn’t match. Captchas are made to defeat AI logic, so sometimes it’s not the obvious thing. It could very well possibly be selecting all images that match the color tone, something a bot may not work out. It could be just selecting indoor images. I wouldn’t know for certain until I got one these and succeeded or failed.
I couldn’t get past “pick the smallest animal”
There was a large picture of a hummingbird, and a tiny panda. Both choices were wrong, apparently. They probably meant that I should pick the pettiest animal.
Now that’s just fucking with us.
Captchas aren’t made to “defeat AI logic”, the human detection happens in part outside the picture selection part. The picture selection is for training AI. In this case you are training an AI to distinguish the (potentially abstract) concept of warmth.
Semantics, whatever.
There’s a sample picture of a living room, then pictures of living rooms and snowy houses.
Yes, thank you for your entirely original response.
chickenCaptchas are made to defeat AI logic, so sometimes it’s not the obvious thing. It could very well possibly be selecting all images that match the color tone, something a bot may not work out.
IMO the idea here is that most users are not thinking very hard, so they are going to see the word “warmer”, think “snow = cold” and leave their analysis at that. AI on the other hand is going to put more effort into interpreting the specific meaning of the request in context of the images. The primary challenge for captchas now is to defeat AI, so the captcha ideas that get through probably did so because they gave the AI trouble in testing, but did not give most users trouble.
I think that going forward, people who put thought into following specific directions accurately are going to have a lot of trouble with captchas.
I can agree with most of this. Still don’t know for certain which interpretation would be the correct one for this captcha. Thank you for acknowledging that defeating AI is one of the goals, which seems obvious since they’re meant to determine if you’re human. idk why that’s difficult for some people to accept.
The thing is that a captcha is made to be solvable by almost anyone.
So whatever you think the answer is, is probably one of the many correct responses.
Something that’s obvious to you isn’t necessarily obvious to everyone.
It even clearly gives an example of a picture of a living room.
TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is
Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?
This is an incredibly narrow view of people, and what ‘obvious’ is. This sentence is absolutely awful if you’re ESL in any way:
Please select all images of one type that appear warmer in comparison to other images
Even I stumbled for a second on that sentence. What the hell does ‘appear warmer’ mean? Colour, hue, saturation, is there a temperature reading on them? It can snow at zero degrees, but that middle image could be -20 for all we know; it’s in shadow and the only non-cool-colour in it is that orange rectangle.
I mean, to me, it’s obvious that you add an apostrophe to ‘don’t’ but you didn’t. Your sentence also doesn’t end with a period. Does that mean I get to call you out for missing such an ‘obvious’ thing, and insult you for not doing it? You know, how obvious and dead simple writing your sentence correctly would be.
Only number 3 conveys the concept of warmth to me. A wintry scene contrasted with orange tinged light visible through house windows is a classic trope to evoke warmth and cosiness. The interiors are undoubtedly a physically higher temperature at the location of the photographer, but the picture is not working to communicate that.
What “of the same type” means, I have no clue.
I think lack of snow could be communicating the higher temperature.
Most pictures lack snow. You’d expect the interior of a room to lack snow. Lack of snow alone does not communicate anything unless it’s in a context where you’d normally expect there to be snow.
If I was a visual designer, and I was tasked with providing a picture to represent warmth, I might choose, I don’t know; hands in mittens clutching steaming mugs of cocoa, a cat snoozing in front of a roaring fire, or what else? Welcoming light shining from the windows of a house in a snowy landscape! If I submitted a nondescript photo off of a real estate listing, and said “look bro! No snow”, I’d be looking for a new job.
It’s asking for temperature wow cmon
Nope. It asked which appears warmer. Warmth is about subjective feelings of comfort - it’s not a direct synonym for temperature. No-one describes getting burned as being lovely and warm.
Two of the nine pictures lack snow. Not really most.
Most pictures lack snow. Out of all the pictures in the world, most of them lack snow.
ᴅᴜᴋᴇᴛʜᴏʀɪᴏɴWait until it has us picking between Good images and Bad ones, to train the AI
That is exactly what this is.
“Please select all targets that should be shot before they have a chance to get away.”
I got one the other day that had the third column of images completely cut off on mobile. Didn’t matter what browser I tried. I had to wait until I could get to a desktop to try and access the site.
Whole lot of AIs in this thread.
Go home, robot, you’re drunk
If you’re wondering why does it seem so strange, it’s because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it’s asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.