🧵THREAD will start here 1/…

>>Note: I’ll have to stop early due to Dr appt but will add what I miss when I return.

As always, I can’t reply during live-thread of multiple reporters. Plz remember to preface q’s w “Not for Laffy” or something similar since I’m too distracted to answer. Others can for me. TY.

Klasfeld:

#NewYork.

#Trump expected to take the stand in his civil fraud #trial testimony today, set against backdrop of his 4 criminal indictments

…live from the courtroom. #legal

2/ Trump has arrived at the court.

Orden: Barbara Underwood, the Solicitor General of New York who was previously NY AG, is in the courtroom for Trump's testimony.

3/ Maybe I should call this “LIE-threading” instead of “live threading” considering who’s on the stand.

4/ Via Kyle Griffin:

🔥New York AG #LetitiaJames: "This morning, Mr. Trump will take the stand in our trial against him, the Trump org & other defendants. Mr. Trump has repeatedly & consistently misrepresented & inflated the value of his assets. & before he takes the stand, I am certain that he will engage in name calling & taunts & race baiting & call this a witch hunt. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters are the facts and the numbers — & numbers, my friends, don't lie."👈🏼

5/ Trump enters the courtroom, via Klasfeld:

6/ NOTE: Emojis are mine, and when I comment I […], or say Me: “…”

I’ll include Rubin’s posts later.

Klasfeld:

“All rise."

Court is now in session.

Justice Engoron alludes to the photographers, who are about to come in to photograph Trump and counsel at the defense table.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Note:

This will be the second time that Trump takes the stand in this trial.

The first time, Justice Engoron found him "not credible" — and in violation of his gag order.

7/ “Saunters.”🤢

Klasfeld:

Engoron remarked that they're often referred to as a "gaggle" of photojournalist, a word usually used to describe "geese," he notes.

NYAG's counsel Kevin Wallace:

"The People call Donald J. Trump."

The former president saunters to the witness stand.

8/ Buckle up.

Klasfeld:

Wallace's questioning begins with Trump's corporate structure and his personal beneficial ownership of it.

Asked whether he formed the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust when he ran for president in 2016, Trump said: "Pretty much when I won, I formed the trust."

9/ Erica orden:
Asked about Donald Trump Jr., Trump says: "He’s a hardworking boy," and then corrects himself, "young man, and he’s done a very good job, as has Eric."
Klasfeld:
Asked why he appointed Don Jr. as the trustee, Trump answers: "He's a hardworking boy, you know, young man. He's done a very good job.'
10/ NOTE: I will break away to, you know, do what I have to do, it’s only 7 am here! Adam Klasfeld:
Asked why he reinstalled himself as trustee before leaving the White House, Trump answered because he would go back to business.

11/ And now my stupid iPad won’t let me “return” to space between posting. Gaaa! So forgive the format for now. Need to add this: 🤢 Klasfeld: Trump complains to the AG's counsel that "you" and other "Democrat" prosecutors "were all coming after me from 15 different sides."

Trump says all of the cases are "not good."

"Weaponization, they call it," Trump says.

12/ Rubin:

Trump confirms he is owner of all assets in the Trust & the beneficiary thereof; he says around the time he won, he moved the Trump Org into the trust to avoid conflicts of interest, although he maintains that he could have had two desks as Washington did. 3/

He made Weisselberg a trustee because he had been with the company for a long time; he did a good job; and we really liked him. As for Don Jr., he was named as a trustee because he is a “good boy, or man and an honorable one.”

14/ Cohen’s lawyer is there.

Klasfeld:
Note:

Justice Engoron rejected Trump's "worthless clause" defense in his pre-trial ruling.

Trump launches into a monologue.

"As this crazy trial goes along" Trump says the defense will call bankers and "they were explain what the process is."

The judge interjects, notes that AG's counsel has been "patient," and instructs Trump to answer only the questions presented to him.

14/ Orden:

⚡️Judge Engoron to Trump: "Please, just answer the questions, no speeches."

Judge added: "Some of your answers have not been responsive to the question."

15/ Klasfeld for next few posts:

I forgot this:

Trump is shown his statement of financial condition from June 30, 2011 — and downplays its significance.

Pointing to disclaimer, Trump said. "We would call it a worthless statement clause."

"They were not really documents that the banks paid much attention to”
………
Trump swipes at Engoron from witness stand, going off on a tangent about the statute of limitations:

“I’m sure the judge will rule against me because he always rules against me.”

16/ Engoron asks Chris Kise if that was necessary, before telling Trump:

"You can attack me, do whatever you want, but answer the question."

Trump insists that his marquee properties were "underestimated," like Mar-a-Lago, 40 Wall Street, Doral and others.

Trump falsely claims that the judge estimated Mar-a-Lago was worth $18 million. (Engoron didn't; he cited an appraisal of the property from 2011.)

18/ Klasfeld:

Trump caricatures the AG's case:

"Trump had no money. And he wrote up phony statements, and he defrauded banks," even though they were represented by the best lawyers.

Wallace: I move to strike that answer.
Granted.

👉🏼👉🏼Judge: "Mr. Kise, can you control your client? This is not a political rally."👈🏼

Kise eventually tells him: "You're in control of the courtroom, not me."😳

19/ Rubin:

Engoron: “Mr. Kise, can you control your client? This is not a political rally…Maybe you should have a talk w him right now.” Kise disagrees and says it would be far more economical to let the “former and future chief executive of the United States” to give his answers.

Trump says he does not recall discussing the valuation of Mar-a-Lago w McConney & Weisselberg; did not discuss 40 Wall St much w them; insists outside tax counsel Sherri Dillon drive valuation process for 7 Springs

20/ Rubin for next few:

But the statement overall, he maintains, was a “nice compilation of assets” and reflected that he had $342 million in cash. 👉🏼Engoron is angry and without any objection, shouts, “Stricken! Stricken!”👈🏼

Kise faults Wallace for his open-ended, wide questions, suggesting they are inappropriate for trial, as opposed to at a deposition. Wallace is frustrated, but moves on.

21/ We’re now looking at the description of Niketown’s value in the 2014 statements of financial condition, which is, according to the statement, based on an evaluation by Trump in conjunction with his associates and outside professionals.

Asked whether he agrees with the statement, Trump does not take issue with the description of his involvement; he disputes that the value was $348 million as of June 30, 2014, given the location of the asset (between Tiffany and IBM).

22/ Wallace tries to pin Trump down: Has there been a change of value since 2014? Trump says it’s a “holdup asset,” and its real value is for Tiffany or IBM to purchase.

(The statement says the value was derived from the cash flow derived from the net rental stream, not its sale value to the potential purchasers.)

23/ Because of what he characterizes as Trump’s non-responsive, repetitive answers, 👉🏼Engoron asks Kise again to try to discipline his client, with whom the AG only has one day. Wallace repeats, “What did YOU do in preparing the financial statement in 2014?”

24/ Lisa Rubin:

Trump testified that he told McConney and Weisselberg about the “holdup value” but did not do anything else. Asked whether the statement about Niketown was based on true and accurate information? Trump deflects, saying he would not sell it for $348 million.

25/ NOTE: I need to, well, break away but will catch you up after doing what I gotta do.

26/ All from Rubin in next few:

Pressed again Trump: “I guess so; I really cannot answer that.”

Wallace moves on to stated value of 40 Wall St in 2014 statements of finan condition which is based again on capitalization rate applied to resultant cash flow to be derived from building’s operation. Is that statement accurate?-Wallace

Trump demurs says it doesnt reflect his negotiated right to bld condos at 40 Wall St, which is its highest/best use. The gist of Trump’s speech? It’s undervalued

27 🔥, after listening to another speech in response to a yes-or-no question: “I beseech you to control him. If you can’t, I will. I will excuse him and draw every negative inference.”🔥

Kise: “I’d urge the court to take in all information possible ….You have on the stand a candidate for president of the United States; the most efficient way to get through this is to listen to what he has to say … about what happened and why there’s no intent to mislead anyone.…🙄

28/Habba gets more aggressive. “The burden is on the AG to ask better questions.” Engoron: “We are not here to hear what he has to say. We are here to listen to him answer questions.”👈🏼

Habba pushes back, “Yes, you are here to listen to what he has to say.” 😳Engoron reiterates he is here to listen to Trump answer questions and then loses his temper, “SIT DOWN!” He instructs Wallace to continue, but not before Trump adds, “This is a very unfair trial.”🤦🏻‍♀️

29/ Wallace is showing Trump a 2015 email to which documentation concerning amendments to the ground lease at 40 Wall. That document extinguishes the condo development rights, Wallace says, no? Trump says no. He still held on to co-op rights.

Wallace asked Trump whether there 2014 statement of financial condition, which mentions no condo conversion rights, incorporates what he could do. Trump says, “I don’t know because I didn’t do it.”

30/ Did you approve it, Wallace asks. Trump: “Yes, I accepted it. Other people did it.” Is it based on fair and accurate information? Trump: “I assume so.”

31/ Klasfeld:

Questioning turns to 40 Wall Street's valuation at $550.1 million on the 2014 financial statement.

Before that exchange, Trump gave a speech about the statute of limitations, possibly converting it to condominiums, and this remark:

32/ Klasfeld:

"I got a lollipop in the lease. It’s a legal term, believe it or not."
Q: Did you approve the valuation?
A: I accepted it. [...] Other people did it, but I didn't say, make it higher or make it lower.

Wallace:

"I think we'll take our break now," adding that he'd appreciate it if Mr. Kise would talk with his client.
15 min break

33/ Damn. Rubin decided not to tweet, but to go liveblog on NBC site..harder to follow.

And my hair dryer just crashed. Having a day.

34/ Okay, got Rubin back:

We are back from the break, and Trump is now being asked about the value of his partnership with Vornado Realty over two buildings, in which Trump held 30% of both assets.

Trump just testified, “I was a limited partner; I did not put up any money; I had no liability for what I owned.” He can’t help himself and is boasting about the structure of the deal in ways that are belied by the statement itself.

35/ Blow dryer works again. Hair dry, at my computer. What a morning. Ugh.

Rubin:

The Vornado valuation in 2014 was $816 million. Asked whether that was based on accurate information, Trump testifies, “I think so; I hope so.” He pauses and then says, “I think it’s low.”

36/ Klasfeld:

Trump concedes, while disclaiming responsibility for it:

“The number was too high. They lowered it after that.”

Trump:

"I thought it was too high. I don't know what's too high any more."

He claims that the number wasn't "too far off" when you add rooftop access.

37/ REMINDER: I can't even start to read all your replies after this hectic morning. I'll read later, 100s of them to catch up on. Patience.

Moving on.

Klasfeld:
Trump:

"They took 10,000 feet per floor, and they went times three. But they didn't take out elevator shafts and different things."

38/ Klasfeld:

AG's counsel moves on to Mar-a-Lago:

He shows Trump language describing it as an "exclusive private club."

Asked if that was true, Trump responds: "Yes."

(Whether it's a club or a residence is a key issue in the case.)

The financial statements also notes that Mar-a-Lago is wholly owned by a limited liability company.

39/ Klasfeld:

Asked whether he now believes Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.5 billion, Trump responds: "I think between a billion and a billion-five."🙄

Back to Rubin:

State attorney Kevin Wallace asks Trump about his involvement in the 2021 statement of financial condition. Trump says his focus at that time was on China and Russia and "keeping our country safe," 👉🏼drawing some laughs from the courtroom.👈🏼

Wallace reminds him he wasn't president in 2021. (Trump left office on Jan. 20, 2021.)

40/ Klasfeld:

NYAG's counsel confronts Trump with the deed stating that "the Club and Trump intend to forever extinguish their right to develop or use the Property for any purpose other than club use."

Trump parses: "'Intend' doesn’t mean we will do it."

(That remark may rank up there in the annals of presidential testimony with Clinton's: "It depends on what the definition of what 'is' is.)

41/ [Me: Trump "believes".... He "believes" people have a right to do lots of things... that are illegal/unethical. Nice try.]

Klasfeld:

Trump:

"I don't think so. It says 'intends.'"

If someone wanted to change it later, Trump says, "I believe they would have the right to do it."

42/ Rubin:

Wallace, state atty, handed Trump “deed of development rights” that bound Trump to leave MAL as private club. Trump said he intended to “forever extinguish” his rts to develop or use property for anything other than club use, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t change his mind.

I would bet good $ that the counterparty to this deed of conservation & preservation easement, the Natl Trust for Historic Preservation, has a very diff position about the legally binding nature of this doc

43 Rubin:

As Wallace is recounting now, the deed prohibits the construction of new buildings as well as the renovation of the interior of the mansion in a way that would make it inhabitable as a single-family home.

44/ [Me: Trump uses that "bravado" excuse a lot, doesn't he? Psst. Doesn't work]

Klasfeld:

Trump is shown an interview of him saying that "the Mar-a-Lago Club is a great success. It will forever be a club."

He says he said it as "bravado," not "legal intent."

Asked if he got tax benefits from it being a club, Trump answers yes.

45/ orden:

Though Trump has offered some asides and long-winded answers during the post-break testimony, he has been sticking to responsive answers more than he did before the morning break. [Me: Someone yelled at him during break to STFU]

46/ NBC's Chloe Atkins:

BIG MOMENTS from Trump's testimony so far 👇

Kevin Wallace, a lawyer for the AG's office, asked Trump about the appointment and acceptance of trustees, and in response, he said, "You and every other Democrat … coming after me from 15 different sides … all haters."

47/ Rubin:

Tump insists nothing has to be done to convert MAL to a single-family home. He also recalls the “very large and beautiful” ballroom at Mar-a-Lago was built by him, notwithstanding the deed. “This property is more valuable with that building on it!” he testifies.

“I personally would never change it,” but if his children want to change it, for example, it would be their right, Trump says.

👉🏼Trump concedes👈🏼 that they pay less taxes because of Mar-a-Lago’s designation as a private club.

48/ REMINDER: There is some redundancy in my posts bc reporters have diff takes on same facts. Kthxbye.

Klasfeld:

Questioning turns to Trump's property in Aberdeen.

49/ Orden:

"Aberdeen is the oil capital of Europe, very rich..." Trump says, at which point, 👉🏼the judge interjects: "Irrelevant!"👈🏼

Trump adds softly, "It is." [Me: He always does this. Has to have the last word. His base loves it]

50/ Via Forbes' Chase Peterson-Withorn

"And different things" includes an entirely separate penthouse belonging to someone else. And, by the way, Trump is making it sound like he wasn't aware, but he spent two hours personally telling me his apartment was 33,000 square feet and took up all of the top 3 floors...

re: Trump:

"They took 10,000 feet per floor, and they went times three. But they didn't take out elevator shafts and different things."

51/ [Trump doing caricature of himself is perversely amusing]

Klasfeld:

Trump:

"Aberdeen is a very rich place. It's an incredible piece of land, and it may be the greatest golf course ever built."

52/ Klasfeld:

Justice Engoron tells the NYAG's counsel that he's following his lead, and if he wants to let the witness "ramble" on with "unresponsive" answers, he'll do that.

🤦🏻‍♀️Kise defends what he describes as Trump's "brilliant" response.🤦🏻‍♀️

[Me: Kise: "We're ALL Trump now! Weeeee!"]

[Me:Trump, doing his impression of Trump:]

Trump:

"I have a lot of money, a lot more money than you thought."

Orden: Trump: "I’m not a windmill person."

53/ Klasfeld:

Are you aware of any valuations on the statements of financial condition from 2017 through 2021?

Trump:

"I'm worth billions of dollars more than the financial statements" — and anything "off" would be "non-material."

(The judge rejected materiality arguments before trial.)

54/ [Me: So much for Trump getting more succinct after the break. Nope. We knew that could never last]

Klasfeld:

Trump returns to the "disclaimer clause" and "worthless statement clause," in a lengthy monologue — again, an issue decided against him before trial and brought up apropos of nothing.

55/ Rubin, next few posts:

Wallace has moved on to Trump properties abroad, specifically the Aberdeen development in Scotland. The supporting data spreadsheet presented by the attorney general's office reflects that the valuation as of June 30, 2014, had jumped by roughly $250 million over the prior year.

As of 2014, Trump affirms he had not yet built a second golf course; rather, he testifies, “l am building it now.”

56/ He digresses once again, declaring the Scotland property is "one of the greatest pieces of land I have ever seen."

Wallace refocuses Trump, forcing admissions that between 2013 and 2014, he did not build another golf course, hotel or even homes. Wallace states plainly, “I’m focused on how we got a $245 million increase between 2013 and 2014.”

57/ Wallace later returns to the statement of financial condition, which refers to 1,486 homes, only 500 of which are described as single-family homes. The state attorney asks Trump to confirm that the number in the "backup data does not match the number of homes in the statement of financial condition."

Trump suggests it’s like a painting; the land is there, but “you can do what you want to do.”

[Me: Huh?]

@GottaLaff
weren’t you breaking ground on that second course instead of testifying in the E Jeanne civil rape trial?
@GottaLaff
He’s a chaos agent.
Jusge deserves a nice, long vacation after this shit show.

@GottaLaff

Makes me wonder who is running the court.

@JaneDoeTheFirst

right now it's trump and kise...

I'd really like to see the prosecutors take more control.

@GottaLaff

@GottaLaff

Kise defends what he describes as Trump's "brilliant" response.

Only if one believes a 20watt stove bulb is brilliant

@GottaLaff
Needing to have the last word is a classic narcissist trait.

@GottaLaff

You and every other Democrat … coming after me from 15 different sides … all haters."

ALL.... OR... trumps just a lowlife, POS, mobbed up criminal who finally went way off the path and got caught being a massive criminal... finally.

@tdwllms1 @GottaLaff

Agreed. Trump: "You caught me. I hate that you caught me. I hate you."

@GottaLaff he thinks that any legal challenge he faces is an act of hate against him personally. He is so ethically challenged that he cannot grasp that anything he wants to do could possibly be illegal. Very Nixonian.

@GottaLaff

I would love to know who yanked Trump's chain and how they did it.

@GottaLaff It works with his knuckle-dragging cult followers and that's really the only thing that matters

@GottaLaff

'B R A V A D O' is a pretty odd way to spell 'bullshit'.

@GottaLaff I hope they take a legally binding response but I won't hold my breath
@GottaLaff in DJT’s mind, nothing is legally binding about contracts. He just considers how much a lawsuit will cost, and moves on.
@pcbeard @GottaLaff This denizen of an ethical sewer is beating Biden.
@GottaLaff His defence boils down to "Believe me when I say you must never believe what I say."
@GottaLaff "And when you're famous, they just let you do it."
/s

@GottaLaff

I'm certain whatever he believes is laughable.... and the historical society would take umbrage with it.

@GottaLaff
I'm picturing Ms Frazzled doing the questioning.

@GottaLaff

Trump, a man of his word. 🙄

@JaneDoeTheFirst, Trump, a man of many words, strung together in random order. @GottaLaff

@GottaLaff

not in any world is mar-a-shithole worth 1-1.5 billion,.... not even in a made up world ... only in a mental morons mind.

@tdwllms1 @GottaLaff Maybe if we're talking Zimbabwe Dollars. (1 billion Zimbabwe Dollars is about $3 million US.)
@GottaLaff Palm Beach County would be glad to receive taxes based on that $1.5B valuation, if Trump insists.😁