Tamimi: 'We will drink your blood; what Hitler did to you was a joke'

https://lemmy.world/post/7864581

Tamimi: 'We will drink your blood; what Hitler did to you was a joke' - Lemmy.World

Her Instagram post, translated in the link: > “Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls” She has since been arrested: * Jerusalem Post [https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771867] * WSJ [https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-2023-11-06/card/israel-arrests-palestinian-activist-ahed-tamimi-for-inciting-terrorism--l0PxIlkpeRmrODTVUoLw]

Individuals such as this should never be given any sort of publicity.

Unfortunately we are in the age of sensationalism, and lunatics like this one are widely reported because it drives more page views and more clicks.

And she’s 21. Like, I feel, as a society, we can comfortably take any brilliance from a 21 year old as someone who has a special insight worthy of sharing, but we can also disregard any of the more outlandish shit that comes out of 21 year olds mouths. A lot of 21 year olds are brash and full of bluster. All that can be written off as immature horseshit.

Again, some are wise beyond their years, or have a decent head on their shoulders and spend their fresh adulthood wisely, doing good. They can have bright, new ideas that should be listened to…but this is not a new idea, nor is it worth reporting. Except as propaganda. Which is exactly what this article is, let’s not kid ourselves.

“Outspoken 21 year old says something horrible and outlandish!” Implied: [see what we’re up against? This particular group of HORRIBLE PEOPLE needs to be “relocated.”] Yes, what this person said was horrible. Yes, there are stupid people who are angry and using that anger inappropriately. But this does not change the current situation. An occupying force is wiping out a long-suffering people with the imperial might of the most war-hungry nations and capitalist enterprises in its ear and at its back. This is not a noble endeavor because some 21 year old said something wrong, the 21 year old is wrong for saying what they said. But…so is what the state of Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. The children dying have nothing to do with this idiot. She is nothing more than convenient war machine propaganda.

This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s one of many posts by influencers like the Hadid sisters, Mia Khalifa, and more. She’s an idiot, but she’s representative example of Palestinian sentiment at the moment.

The children dying right now are the result of an unrelenting campaign of violent hate speech and teaching hatred in schools.

You can’t blame the children dieing on anyone but the people responsible for actually dropping the bombs and shooting the bullets.

Violence is almost never the answer, and indiscriminate violence actually never ever is.

No one but the children are without fault in this conflict, but still far too many (more than 0) children pay the ultimate price. You can wage war without killing children, it just costs more. But if you can’t pay that price then the war can’t ever be considered just.

A 16 year old is a child, right? Let’s look at some semi-hypotheticals and you tell me who you think is to blame:

  • A 16 year old with a butcher knife who has already stabbed two people
  • A 16 year old being told to stand next to a jeep in the middle of a firefight
  • A 16 year old shooting a rifle
  • A 4 year old boy who is forced to be next to a senior commander 24/7 who holds the boy in front of him when the shooting starts

War is hell, and it is complicated. Child soldiers will die, and there will be civilians caught in the crossfire. The is no track for this trolley that has 0 children. Any military has to balance the number of civilians killed vs the risk to its own soldiers vs the likelihood of killing their intended targets. If you expect them to sacrifice hundreds or thousands of soldiers just to avoid a few civilians, you grossly misunderstand how the world works. Most military forces will certainly be unwilling to sacrifice a single soldier for a single civilian, even on their own side.

Then Israel must be punished for their disproportionate response.

What is proportionate to the brutal murder of 1400 people, including women and children?

What is proportionate to the ongoing rocket barrages on civilians?

Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?

I would ask what you think is proportionate to the 10,000 dead civilians on the other side of the fence but I’m not going to do that, math is clearly not your strong suit. I hope they haunt you forever. I’m not a religious ethnostate, if I was in their shoes I would take them the fuck off.
Well killing 10,000 people is not exactly proportional. I guess technically it is since that proportion works out to 50:7.

Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?

I would move out of the area I occupied. I would feel /ad for displacing an entire people for my own fucked up notion of the afterlife. I would feel horrible for allowing my government to perform genocide. I would feel powerless to change anything, but not powerless to stop supporting that government. I would sell any asset in the country, and start over somewhere else.

There is no “complicated political situation”. There are only facts. 70 years ago, an invading army took over Palestinian land with the help of the UN and UK and most superpowers. Now there are those in Palestine who fight it and are being exterminated, and those who accept it and are still being exterminated, because Israel’s intent has always been to seize control of the region and drive darker skinned people out, and this has been a selling point for the terrorist state of Israel to be established ever since day one, which is proven by letters from the 1940s between zionists and their supporters.

There is no “complicated political situation”. There are only facts. 70 years ago, an invading army took over Palestinian land with the help of the UN and UK and most superpowers. Now there are those in Palestine who fight it and are being exterminated, and those who accept it and are still being exterminated, because Israel’s intent has always been to seize control of the region and drive darker skinned people out, and this has been a selling point for the terrorist state of Israel to be established ever since day one, which is proven by letters from the 1940s between zionists and their supporters.

Your copypasta is old - it’s been 75 years since 1948.

Your opinions are old. It’s been 75 years since 1948.
Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.

Well, I can see you’re not from Iran

I can only find this reference for the Talmud, which is pretty clear that it’s only a recommendation to marry at 18 instead of 13

Age of majority - Wikipedia

We’re not talking about Iran.

The law in Israel civilly is 18, the rest is fairly basic and obvious.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_d'malkhuta_dina#:~:t….

Dina d'malkhuta dina - Wikipedia

Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.

Did you perhaps mean “almost”? I thought you were taking the absolutist stance that the age of majority is always 18.

Ed: I should say according to the talmud no one is adult until 18.

How does a citation from Shulchan Arukh suddenly become “according to the Talmud”? It’s literally not part of it.

Yes almost.

Talmidic interpretation matters especially those that are accepted by the majority of that group and that’s ignoring the fact that religious law is second to civil law in Israel so the talmudic interpretation is supporting but not definitive, civil law is.

  • The punishment for murder should never be murder
  • The person shooting the unarmed civilian
  • If the 16 year old is engaged in the fighting and is a soldier then he’s no longer a civilian and thus fair game. The people putting rifles in the hands of kids and telling them to fight are to blame.
  • Someone using a kid as a literal meat shield in an actual firefight is an insane hypothetical. But shooting the kid to kill the commander can’t ever be considered the moral/just/right answer.

You’re just apologizing for war. Why? What’s so good/important about war that you need to defend it? Why is it insane to expect nations to not kill civilians?

War is not a good solution and it should never be the first solution. But it exists and burying your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t exist is just naive.

By the way, every single one of those examples is real and relatively recent. Today, a 16 year old kid stabbed two border police in Jerusalem and was shot dead by a third. In May 2022, a 16 year old girl was ordered to stand next to an Israeli jeep while they were in a firefight with PIJ fighters. A 13 year old shot two people in January and was killed by one of the men he shot. There have been more than a few talking heads that have claimed the last one, but I doubt there will be any credible news reporting on it.

These are just a handful of examples from recent times. Most of them won’t compare to what happens inside Gaza where the fog of war is going to be thick and intentionally so by both sides.

When kids kill you for trespassing on their land, maybe it’s time to get the fuck out.