Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’

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Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’ - Lemmy.World

Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved. “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

I don’t think peace is possible when one side is holding the other in an open air prison and giving them only the amount of calories needed to not die (after the war started even that was suspended)
Yeah, that’d be crazy if it was happening.
It would be crazy if you had basic empathy for the almost 4,000 Palestinian children killed

I’m just sick to fucking death of extremists. I didn’t leave the alt-right shithole that’s Reddit to just watch tankie shitheads feign “empathy”. The vast majority of you didn’t give a single, watery shit about any child in the Middle East a month ago.

Israel tried for decades to reach a peaceful two-state solution. Even offering to construct and maintain an elevated highway and rail corridor between Gaza and the West Bank. They even offered a plan where they would have forcefully relocated established Jewish settlements. But none of that was good enough for the Palestinians and Arafat. Ever hear the phrase “from the river to the sea”? If you haven’t, you should look into the history of that.

You won’t catch me saying the IDF is perfect and gargling everything from the Jerusalem Post. But you also won’t find me saying that Gaza is an “open air prison” when they share a border with Egypt, were originally territory of Egypt that Egypt didn’t even want back, and have a coastline on the Mediterranean. All this talk of “genocide” and “open air prison” being caused by Israel is fucking delusional.

Educate yourself on the history of this region from actual historical sources. Start with the citations on Wikipedia if you actually want to know who’s in the right and who’s in the wrong. Don’t go listening to fucking TikTokers or influencers.

Whether you like it or not, Israel tried for decades to reach a peaceful, two-state solution. The Palestinians rejected all plans, even those that had Israel putting its own security in jeopardy. The international community never stepped in to force a peace plan. Israel was abandoned by the world and told to fight with both hands tied behind its back. Is it any wonder that fascists like Netanyahu and Likud were able to come to power in Israel? They tried electing moderates and pursuing peace for years, but all they got was a slap in the face.

If you want true peace in the Middle East, then it’s going to require a massive international military intervention to force a peace; there is no other way. This may shock you, but that intervention would actually be an invasion and occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. So either support that, or shut the fuck up.

Tell me what Israeli news do you watch? I personally watch i24 and regularly keep up with Israeli politics. Do you even know what Kahanism is, who Ben Gavir is, or why so many people (myself included) despise the far right crime minister BB?

I am aware of i24, Kahanism, Gavir, etc. And if you want to throw historical words and events around, I know about the assassination of Rabin at the hands of far-right Zionists, the Deir Yassin Massacre, etc.

So, tankie shithead. How far back do you want to go with the history of this land? How about back to the Roman empire? Back when there was an Israeli kingdom that was a vassal to them. Were the Jews colonizers of an apartheid state then? You want to talk about “colonizers” and “apartheid”? How about we talk about how the Jews became slaves at worst and third-rate inhabitants at best in their own homeland? What religion and ethnicity were the people who moved into the area and took the land after the Roman empire fell?

Oh is that too far back for you? Then let’s start with when the British and UN voted to bring he Israelis back to their homeland. Did they just up and evict all the Palestinians? A people with no army or international supporters? Is that all that happened? Oh wait, there was something about an Arab League and Palestinian government lead by literal Arab Nazis who had been friends with Himmler and Hitler and literally directly participated in the Holocaust.

After that, how about we talk about the eviction of Jews from Muslim nations in the 1950s because they got so fucking butthurt over losing to the Jews in Israel. People who had lived in those lands as slaves for generations.

You are out of your fucking mind and your fucking league. You don’t know shit about the Middle East.

You aren’t wrong, but I can tell you’re smart enough to make your point without rule 3 ad hominem attacks.