MicroWaveNov 6, 2023

Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’

https://lemmy.world/post/7852566

Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’ - Lemmy.World

Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved. “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

Show threadkittenzrulz123Nov 6, 2023
I don’t think peace is possible when one side is holding the other in an open air prison and giving them only the amount of calories needed to not die (after the war started even that was suspended)
Show threadSon_of_dadNov 6, 2023
Ok are you talking about Hamas or the Palestinian people? Cause I keep being told they’re different, and that Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinians, yet here you are talking about them as if they’re the same. So which is it? Cause you’re asking me to feel bad for Hamas fighters? Cause I won’t.
Show threadkittenzrulz123Nov 6, 2023
I didn’t mention Hamas, I said Israel is oppressing Palestinians and you should feel bad for the nearly 4,000 children that died.
Show threadPasta4u
Hamas is oppressing Palestinians and are responsible for the 4000 children that died. Non hamas Palestinians should try fleeing the country or fighting back against hamas so they can be free
Nov 6, 2023 at 3:07amWeb
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 6, 2023
And become like... The west bank?
Show threadBabyWahNov 6, 2023

Fight back? Lol. After being born in an open air prison. After being born into oppression. After being told they’re nothing more than animals. After being thrown in prison as a kid for decades because they threw stones at a fucking tank. After being slowly starved to death. After being evicted from their lands and homes by the Israeli military, AND being mocked by the very settlers that take their homes from them right in front of their faces at the same time. After their parents, children, siblings, aunts and uncles, their entire fucking bloodline is being bombed to death. After watching the whole world just stand there and watch them being slaughtered just because Israel has more money, so they can lobby? After weeks of Israel secretly lobbying the EU and US to displace all Palestinians to the Sinai peninsula, you know, a fucking HUGE part of another sovereign country like that’s very normal, all the while killing thousands of people for a little piece of their land? Now I understand why the Egyptian president Sisi told the EU to take in Gazans themselves, if they care so much about human rights. After kids literally seeing organs and body parts flying around because of the bombing? After having no access to water, so no drinking water, toilets, showers, dehumanising them. Opening one water source because of UN pressure and then a few days later bombing that specific water source… After having no food for a month now. After threatening the UN to teach them a lesson because they asked for a humanitarian pause. After killing journalists and their entire family in precision attacks, so they can’t report what’s really going on? After killing UN workers?

Right now they’ve also run out of medicine. One patient’s lungs had to be rinsed with ginger. They use effing ginger as an antibiotic/antiseptic. One kids leg had been blown off and they had to operate without anesthesia…

I could just go on and on… You want these people to fight? LOL.

There’s really no way Israel comes out of this as the ‘good guy’. The atrocities they committed and still are committing in less than a month’s time, has made the world forget about 7/10. THAT says something, because we taught THAT day was bad.

Show threadPasta4uNov 6, 2023
Yes fight back like so many oppressed people have done before. Or flee to a place that doesn’t oppress you.
Show threadkurwaNov 6, 2023
Clearly you didn’t read any of that. Where can they go? They are essentially trapped. And of course they have to leave their homes when they’re being oppressed.
Show threadPasta4uNov 6, 2023
They are surrounded on 3 sides woth places they can go. Into the water to flee , down into Egypt or up.into Jordan by land.
Show threadmwguyNov 6, 2023

After being evicted from their lands and homes by the Israeli military, AND being mocked by the very settlers that take their homes from them right in front of their faces at the same time.

Actually in Gaza they have the 1967 borders and all the settlers were forcibly evicted in 2004/2005 (some at gunpoint). You’re thinking of the West Bank, we’re talking about Gaza.

A lot of this rant doesn’t really apply to Gaza.

Show threadcanNov 6, 2023
Where can they flee?
Show threadMeowoemNov 6, 2023

Honestly if anyone actually cared about the people there’s loads of places that could go, I’m sure Israel would even help fund the building of a city on Saudi Arabia or Iran, plenty of space and cities are getting built in the region all the time. They could all live nice happy lives

But no one will let that happen of course because it’s not about the people it’s about the land, and not even land with resources - land the people funding all this have no intention of ever visiting, but they don’t want Israel to have it.

Show threadbedo6776Nov 6, 2023
What you are describing is ethnic cleansing
Show threadPasta4uNov 6, 2023
Literally anywhere. Have you looked at the people illegally crossing the usa southern border? There are Russians and idians. They can escape almost anywhere they have access to flight through then ocean or land borders
Show threadQuaternionsRockNov 6, 2023
The Palestinians you are telling to fight back are also children.
Show threadPasta4uNov 6, 2023
And ? Lots of revolutions are lead by the young.
Show threadQuaternionsRockNov 6, 2023
44% of their population is under the age of 15. Name one revolution that was lead by an army of 7 year olds. If by some miracle you can, name one that was lead against a terrorist organization. Not some rinky-dink operation either. Terrorists that were, I don’t know, funded by a country like Iran?
Show threadhavokdjNov 7, 2023

Holy shit, you are actually retarded.

So you’re saying literal children, like 5-7 years old, should fight back against armed grown ass men?

16 isn’t considered even a teenager in that part of the planet. When people say kid in reference to the middle east, they mean an actual young child.

Show threadjordanlundNov 8, 2023
Removed for ableist language.
Show threadhavokdjNov 8, 2023
Let’s be honest here, you removed it because you don’t agree with what I said, and used a word that I didn’t use in an ableist context as a reason to remove it.
Show threadjordanlundNov 8, 2023
Nope, I removed it due to the “r” word. There are other words and phrases you could have chosen, you chose poorly. Perhaps you need your head examined.
Show threadhavokdjNov 8, 2023

So why would you remove it rather than give me the opportunity to edit the word out?

It’s pretty clear that I was not being ableist because the other party does not have a mental handicap of any kind. So it is okay to use other phrases meant to shock and offend someone but not that specific word? How is calling him a dumbass or an idiot any better? In the context of ableism, if he were to have a mental handicap, those words would be equally as offensive.

I hate to say this, but if you are going to partake in political discussion, you have to get ready to hear things that will be offensive to you. Essentially everything that I wrote has been censored because of a single word that is synonymous with so many other words.

I also would like to make it clear that I have a condition that would be categorized as “offensive” by that word, and even then I still fail to understand how that word would be any more offensive than any other word relating to belittling someone’s intelligence, that was the entire point of my choice of the word, to convey OFFENSE. It is okay to use offensive language when it is not connected to hate or hate speech.

That is precisely why I think my post was actually deleted was because you do not agree with what I said. If you can prove to me exactly how that word would be any more offensive than the other choices, then I am totally open to what you have to say (and I actually mean that).

Show threadjordanlundNov 8, 2023

Using the “r” word, in ANY context, is a rule 6 violation and is not allowed to stand. You either did not read the sidebar or intentionally chose to ignore it.

Either way, the comment gets removed. End of discussion.

Show threadhavokdjNov 8, 2023

I’m posting from mobile so I was not aware of that, but I had read the rules previously and was not aware that this was not allowed per board rules.

Regardless of what I think though, I am sorry for what I did, I was ignorant of that rule and had not known that it wasn’t allowed here. I genuinely thought you were just singling me out and am now aware that you are just doing your job.

Once again, I am sorry, I will try to do better.

Show threadjordanlundNov 8, 2023

That’s all we ask! Rest assured, when comments are removed, it’s not personal. We don’t have that kind of time! :)

On mobile, getting to the sidebar varies depending on the app.

Voyager makes it easy, tap the three dots in the top right hand corner and select “Sidebar”.

Show threadUltraMagnus0001Nov 6, 2023
oppressed people went with the extreme as they had no hope of freedom and anger built up from their oppression.
Show threadFlying SquidNov 6, 2023
Pretty hard to flee the country when the two countries on either side of you won’t let you in. So how are they supposed to do it?
Show threadPasta4uNov 6, 2023
If only there wasn’t something to the other side they can flee to
Show threadFlying SquidNov 6, 2023
The somethings are Israel, who won’t let them out and Egypt, who won’t let them out. There’s no other place for them to go. Look at a map.
Show threadPasta4uNov 7, 2023
You should go and look at a map the medterranean sea is its other border. They can leave by sea. Cubans do it , African do it to reach Italy and so on. So it’s very possible to leave the country
Show threadFlying SquidNov 7, 2023
You do realize Israel has a navy, right?
Show threadPasta4uNov 8, 2023
And ? So dies Italy, so does the jsa. Migrants still come in on rafts
Show threadFlying SquidNov 8, 2023

I’m pretty sure those countries aren’t trying to kill the migrants when they try to leave. Sort of a really huge difference.

I’m not sure why you think the Israeli military would see a raft of migrants and not just blow it out of the water.

Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessNov 7, 2023
Setting aside the whole part about you supporting the genocide of Palestinians, you MFing clown the Israeli blockade is also by sea.
Show threadMarin_RiderNov 7, 2023
if you are angry about these dead children (I am) you want Hamas gone ASAP. their blood is on their hands as much as Israel’s