BigBlackCockroachIt's impossible to want/like anything that doesn't increase the frequency of your genes in the next generation.
H1jAcKI don’t think I get the implication. I like weed and video games and not having kids, how are my genes getting into the next generation?
I’m not saying your genes are getting into the next generation. I am saying anything you like, you like because it increases the likelyhood of your genes being more frequent in the next generation.
Video games give satisfy among others the desire for power (for example you can’t die or you got super powers and so forth) this desire for power exists because being powerful gets you access to the female/male/other
Not having kids ironically makes your own survival easier. This is also tied to this, as the urge to be comfortable and have a nice life is caused by the need to survive long enough to procreate successfully, even if you ironically choose not to. Basically you are interested in your survival and comfort because it is rewarded by your reward system, and this is so because it increases the likelihood of your genes being more frequent in the next generation.
So your suggestion is that all human action stems from the instinctive drive to procreate? Because I might actually agree with that statement, whereas your first statement is edging on gibberish.
exactly. but my actual point is, that it is to me impossible to find anything not driven by that.
You choose what drives you. If you can’t appreciate the world around you for anything more than a pathway to sex, the issue lies within you.
My point is that anything you appreciate you appreciate because it somehow correlates to increasing the likelihood of your genes becoming more frequent in the next generation.
Yeah, I got your incorrect point. Re-evaluate yourself and why you do things.
re-evaluating yourself you will find it difficult to find anything you like, the like of which isn’t brought about by a reward system that’s geared towards releasing dopamine for anything that increases the likelihood of successful procreation.
No, I won’t find that difficult, because I enjoy my hobbies and being alone. I really hope you can find some other motivation in life than your fun bits.
then give me one example
An example; I love playing trading card games. You know how many times Magic the Gathering has helped me get laid? Less than none, it actively drives women away!
Playing games in general, helps you form friendships, friends make it more likely that you will get laid 😁
That’s news to me, since I have like 2 friends, and neither of them play tcgs.
You’re the one drawing that conclusion as the inevitability of the action. Not everyone is staring down every rabbit hole seeing how it leads to sex; some people just like bunnies. I would be far more willing to entertain the idea that everything was designed with sex in mind, even though I don’t agree with that conclusion either, but that’s not why most people do most things.
but that’s not why most people do most things.
I think it is and that thought terrifies me.
But it’s not. Look for new reasons to do things, find different friends with different values, talk to an asexual. I am willing to bet you’re projecting your own thoughts and feelings on others.
Projection is always a fair argument to make.
However please give me anything you like, that you like for any other reason than it being rewarded because of it’s correlation with increased frequency of your genes in the next generation.
btw im not saying this is a good thing
I’m not feeding you ammo. Yes, anyone can contort anything to be driven by sex. But when I’m at home at 9 on a Friday night, three bowls in and playing a single-player video game while listening to a podcast about meditation… I’m not thinking about sex. If you are driven by sex in all your actions, so be it, but your suggestion that everyone is that way is ignorant.
I’m not thinking about sex. I
I’m not saying you are, but the things that give you joy, do so because it’s positively correlated to you increasing your genes frequency in the following generation. Even if you chose not to do so. But that which gives us joy is very closely linked to things that make us more procreative-y
but the things that give you joy, do so because it’s positively correlated to you increasing your genes frequency in the following generation. having sex.
Incorrect. Also, making your point with a lot of words does not lend it credibility. Be concise, and let your good arguments do their own work
What?
I love reading SF.
I love bushwalking.
Neither does anything to increase my reproductive fitness.
anonionfinelymincedSome would argue that reading science fiction restricts it.
reading scifi makes for better conversation and by extension makes you a more attractive mate
Can confirm. I sat alone in the cafeteria in high school and read sci-fi and I was swimming in booty. The athletes and preppies would come up to me and say, "what's your secret bro?" And I wouldn't say anything; just smile and sit back and open my tattered, dog-eared copy of Dune.
Laugh all you want reading dune provides a lot of political acumen and social skills. All things being equal somebody who read dune is more attractive as a mater.
It wasn't the science fiction that lead to this result
Reading increases your knowledge and knowledge increases power. More power means more influence over your surroundings, means more likelihood to survive and more likelihood to procreate successfully some day.
bushwalking a skill that too increases your likelihood of procreation. You are fitter (more attractive) you are more intersting(more attractive) and you get arround (making it more likely to run into a matching partner and procreate or find new food sources and so on)
It’s not unpopular, it’s just kinda dumb .
Laugh it off all you want, however:
your reward system can only reward things that lead to more of your genes in the next generation. That is why we are here, all the people who’s reward system didn’t reward the activities that are most likely to increase gene frequency in the next generation died out.
You have the concepts of cause and effect reversed here.
Your reward system is a product of the genes you already have. You liking this or that doesn’t effect your genes in anyway, it only matters if the way your genes predispose your behaviour makes your chances of passing on those genes more or less likely.
Some people would argue that evolution in humans is null. You need a change in environment to drive evolution, humans make their own environment so there is no driving force to benefit this or that gene.
Ey ich frag doch nurYou’re wrong, it’s species conservation, not incest.
I don’t care about reproducing myself but about things getting better for all of us.
Also what does that picture mean?
species conservation,
nyou share 99.99% of those genes so you are still increasing the frequency of your genes in the next generation. Just in that case not compared within the species, but compared to the gene pool of all life on earth.
Ok and why did you phrase your title so very egocentric/racist also what does that picture mean?
no racism intended
picture? just some guy dancing,
So, evolution creates systems. But, those systems arose through a different system of random mutation creating everything and some of those getting weeded out.
You have no way of knowing with certainty if one of your behaviors is an evolutionary successful one, handed down through generations, or actually a much more recent lolrandom one. Also, you cannot predict if a behavior that worked great in an environment like the stone age or an ice age suddenly does not work so great in the information age. You didn’t change, your genes didn’t, but the world around you did, and thus the “things that will work” sure as fuck did.
So, it’s complicated. This is a fun thought though. You might like more advanced biology studies.
or actually a much more recent lolrandom one.
the likelihood of which is vanishingly small, and the likelihood of it not being a silent one is even exponentially vanishingly smaller.
What makes you say its vanishingly small? It’s directly proportional to numerous environmental factors.
The number of mutations are vanishingly small compared to the genetic code of billions of pairs. The fraction of mutations that are not silent is even smaller.
99% of those genes don’t have expression in protein structure though. Also, it does happen at a higher rate than an uneducated person might expect. Every person you’ve ever met or heard of get cancer, required around a dozen individual mutations to disable various cell safety mechanisms for the cancer to even begin, in that one cell. Individual cells don’t live that long either.
Do you have any data to support what you are saying, that mutation is actually rare in the world?
I don’t have any data. I am not saying there isn’t any, but I am obviously no scientist/academic.
It is a very small rate of incidence. The thing that screws us is even something rare will still have a good chance of happening when you roll the dice on it for every individual cell. It’s such a large number of cells, it balances out the low incidence rate.
alright, I’ll take your word for it
but I am obviously no scientist/academic.
Yes, that is indeed quite obvious.
People want vasectomies.
Which could be argued to be a strategy to make the existing offspring more succesful by not spreading yourself too thin as a parrent.
And who are these people who ENJOY that procedure?
You’re trying to move the goalposts.
People do want to have the procedure, enjoying the procedure itself is irrelevant to your statment.
alright
You should be more careful in presenting your argument. You said “want/like.”
alright
You’re so clueless about rewards loop it hurts.
Drugs are such an easy counter example. As per this thread, you’re gonna find some weird explanation to justify it, but keep in mind you’re going to justify literal poisons to our bodies as a way to get laid/pass our genes down. Can’t wait to see what convoluted bullshit you’ll come up with.
Drugs like those are just a short cut or placeholder for the other stuff mentioned in this thread. You are basically shorting your reward circuit by flooding with something that is similar to neurotransmitters. You just cut out the middle man.
I don’t know why you are pissed off, but don’t unload that crap on me. 😭
So they are indeed a counter example, you’re admitting it ?
How does my fascination for Slackware Linux help me get laid? Please, I actually want to know!
Using slackware makes you a more powerful person, power enables you to exert more control over your environment and thusly likely to increase reproductive success.
darqWhat about gay people?
I’d argue this would apply to everybody. For example any person gay/straight/asexual will find a neoteny pet cute and will be more readily provide resources to that particular pet over a grown pet.
Reading some of your replies really feels like this is one of those differences driven by an internal vs external locus of control. It seems like you feel that control of your life trajectory is outside of your direct control, and you began attributing all choices to some higher imperative. You mention depression, which seems bound up on this locus of control issue.
The problem is you are taking activities people suggest don't lead to the propagation of genes, and then you make a highly subjective argument, and then declare yourself correct as if this was a math or logic problem with axiomatically driven rule structures.
The reality is life allows multiple subjective takes on an issue, so unless you can begin to quantify the effect of something you argue the way social scientists do, your take isn't worth more than anyone else's. You aren't more right just because you read your own press release.
Now having said all of that I know some people who killed themselves just out of highschool. How did their urge/want to end it all help their genes propagate? I'm legitimately interested to see what mental contortions you have in store to explain this one.
Your response was motivated by the same drive to reproduce. Your need to show me up is an attempt to acquire status. status leads to better chances in mating. Although nobody (ironically) is here to notice this gain in status, you still seek it out instinctively.
You need to take a logic class. You don't understand it at all. Also, therapy.