loxoCan't watch any YouTube videos anymore, what do I do now?
jimmydoreisaleftyWhat is your setup?
What have you tried?
originaluciferfind something else. theres always the high seas
youtube is kinda dead to me, i wish people would stop posting links sourced there
Yeah, the high seas are totally known for having short form videos on various subjects from a number of independent creators.
What are you talking about? It’s literally oversaturated of exactly that. Only thing is it’s all porn
circuitfarmerWhat? Not at all. YouTube content that is made for YouTube is not readily available on the high seas, AFAIK. That would be a game changer.
That’s not what I said
DeebsterIf the content is from Youtube, I think it’s fine to post that link - there are plugins to rewrite to something else if you use it, but for those who have paid/functioning ad blockers Youtube is most likely to work well.
and this is the reason youtube will continue to fuck everyone over.
you all lack convitction to actually stand up and not use a service thats fuckinng you over. yeah, youre going to lose some content from some providers, so tell them. but fucking stand up for yourselves, you do not have to use youtube.
wizardbeardsome content from some providers
I think that’s the understatement of the century. Regardless of your opinions on the value of the content, the overwhelming majority of streaming video content online is only available on youtube.
Your overall idea isn’t wrong, but don’t downplay the stranglehold youtube has on content as just missing out on some content.
Use a different service or allow ads, maybeperhaps?
acquire a new hobbie. hopefully something that is hard to monetize.
XINLike working on cars. Oh wait…
Don’t log in to watch youtube. You’re not one of those…(spits) youtube commenters, are you? Use 3rd party frontends for your subscriptions. Some don’t even need a google account.
Post a link to Lemmy/Mastodon and leave your comment there
lololaWas that a spit of contempt or a spit aimed at the spittoon in the corner of the ol saloon
gilaAny suggestions for 3rd party frontends which recommend videos algorithmically like when you’re logged in?
I don’t think there is any. That’s the “con” of not being tracked with no personalization.
There must be a frontend that can track your watched stuff (ideally across several platforms) and so some kind of recommendation - even as simple as you’ve watched 100% of these videos so we’ll show you this new one first.
You would need
I could put something like that together, but it’d take a lot of people and a lot of work, and we’d probably have to pay for it either with advertising or by charging a fee for users who don’t want ads.
I think 1. could just be based on your subscriptions, and 2. isn’t necessary. It doesn’t have to be so personalised, just give me some discoverability for videos with outlying view vectors within the metadata topics for my subscriptions. Wouldn’t be as personalised as YT algorithm, but neither is that a very good one anyway. Still better than just using subscription page, IMO.
I guess it depends on whether you want recommendations about everything on the platform, or just from the subscriptions. I think for basic subscription recommendations you only need to track what the user has watched, although you can use a large number of profiles to get better recommendations even in that case.
Something like this would work:
- ideally you’d dedupe items at this step and have a priority list (e.g. Nebula before Youtube)
- perhaps support re-syncing from sources, either manually or automatically
Then you can use something like github.com/mattwright324/youtube-metadata to pull down metadata and then you can make useful-enough recommendations to start with. You can add in other people’s profiles if you want to expand it to unsubscribed channels, but this will get quite big (and potentially slow) at the scale needed to be useful.
I don’t think this is as much work as you think, so someone else must have put more than these few minutes’ thought and effort into it already.
GitHub - mattwright324/youtube-metadata: A quick way to gather all the metadata about a video, playlist, or channel from the YouTube API.
A quick way to gather all the metadata about a video, playlist, or channel from the YouTube API. - GitHub - mattwright324/youtube-metadata: A quick way to gather all the metadata about a video, pla...
CubitOomI guess the trakt API could be used for this…but their database won’t have YouTube videos in it.
tsuicaThat goes against the whole anti-tracking idea of these frontends.
If you want to be tracked (and across multiple platforms no less), just keep using Google’s crap.
You’re forgetting about things like self-hosting or just using the browser’s storage.
P03 LockeThe con is being recommended Mr Beast and SSSniperWolf videos. There is no greater horror.
On my phone, I’ve been using newpipe for a few years with little complaints. I can import my Google account subscriptions to it but I can’t comment or rate.
On my home theater PC I have been watching YouTube via Kodi with a Google API for over 6 years. It works excellent and there is no ads. Although Google may at any time revoke access to the API or charge me a fee to use it. It is kinda technical to set up and requires Kodi which is a rather large package with a lot of python dependencies. So if you only want to watch YouTube and don’t want to set up a Google API or read a doc then it might not be for you.
Others comments here mentioned freetube which looks really promising and I might try it on my laptop.
I looked into it after being prompted to install youtube extension on Seren’s info page for its content listings, but I don’t think I qualify for an API key so I haven’t been able to configure it
Get the freetube electron app. It worked for me right our the box no configuration required probably because it uses an Invidious Instance.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸On Android, you can also check out LibreTube. On iOS use Yattee with this guide. Piped and Invidious are ad-free, privacy-respecting web frontends for YouTube. For Android TV there’s SmartTubeNext.
helenslunchMost of them will recommend relevant videos but there’s no way to algorithmically recommend videos especially for you without having any information about you.
Most content I find by searching.
Why not log into YouTube? Google already tracks your browser everywhere else - including your online banking, which often you can’t access without enabling connections to google.com and gstatic.com (along with the domain you’re actually accessing, that provides 3 points of internet routing for highly effective triangulation).
Facebook tracks you even when you’re not logged in. Maybe not logging in makes the data they collect slightly less valuable, but they’re still collecting it. At least logging in gives you access to a proper watch history.
Saying all that, more power to you if you choose to work around it. However, if you’re going to youtube.com to watch things then there isn’t really any difference doing so logged in or logged out, for the most part.
To make it a bit harder for them. I’m still not fully understanding it as it didn’t affect me yet, but when they were introducing it they were calling it a “three strikes rule” or something like that. Maybe those strikes are counted against your account?
I agree with the incentive of making it harder, and I do the same myself. However there’s a balance to be found between making it harder for a third party and taking advantage of the tools.
If the third party gets the same information etiher way, then there is little to no harm in logging in to the service and taking advantage of the features available.
Not sure about all the accounts and strikes and things. Personally, I’ve been using uBlock Origin - but I also use uMatrix, which is something of a deprecated browser extension by the same author. However, I find that uMatrix really provides the granular control I want. Many websites I visit are broken from the outset, and then I switch things on little by little until I find the bare minimum required to make the site function for my needs.
Unfortunately, when it comes to Google, the minimum connection is often basically the same as logging in. However the global rules I have set in uMatrix lets me readily see which services require me to connect to Google servers to log in, while blocking them initially and giving me the option to pass on viewing the website if I don’t feel like turning things on.
They don’t get the same information. They likely do, but they can’t be 100% certain it is really you (with various pro privacy extending that is lowered). When you log in, the certainty is 100%.
Given the YouTube service, there’s lot the need to log in (I suppose maybe it is just the way I use it, but if for example someone sends you a vimeo link, would you log in to watch it?)
You have no idea what you’re talking about and listing google secret sauce like you know it out of hand when it’s one of their most guarded company secrets.
Where did I claim to know everything about Google’s secret sauce?? Which specific things are you saying I’m wrong about?
Google already tracks your browser everywhere
They try to track me. It’s pretty clear they’re not successful, given the lack of relevance in the ads I do see when I disable my ad blocker and also how often Google asks me to prove I’m even human at all.
While it’s good that you’re avoiding most of the tracking, I think it’s naive to say they’re not successul. Like I say, so many services use Captcha, and there are many more that use it as just a back end service than those that ask you to identify fire hydrants or bicycles. You literally can’t use the service without connecting to Google.
and also how often Google asks me to prove I’m even human at all.
This is also Google using you for free labour in training their AI systems.
Just block all Google domains in your DNS/Firewall and have a separate browser with a different DoH resolver exclusively for online banking. You can go even further and have a separate VM or physical device for online banking only.
If you block Google, you won’t be able to log into many online banking services.
Just read my entire comment
My bad. Still, you’d need to use that different browser (or multiple different browsers) for everything that requires connections to Google. At some point the extra effort just isn’t worth it - I’m more or less content blocking by default and choosing when to enable it.
I’ve been blocking Google in my DNS resolver for almost a year. Haven’t noticed any major issues. If a website doesn’t work, I open it in the Mullvad Browser while connected to a proxy server and the Mullvad adblocking DoH resolver. That way Google doesn’t get the IP I use for all other connections. I almost never have to use that though, most things work without connections to Google services. It’s not much effort, if you use NextDNS, just enable the ‘No Google’ filterlist. You can also import that list into your Pi-Hole or AdGuard Home, it’s available on GitHub: github.com/nickspaargaren/no-google. I use Piped to access YouTube, the only Google service I use. All connections to YouTube are proxied through the Piped server, so I don’t need to connect to it directly. Edit: If you use the Safing Portmaster, you can also use its built-in Google filterlist to block all connections.
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PlatinwingTake a look at Freetube, if you dont like it there ate many different frontends out there, but some can be a bit complicated to set up.
FaceDeerAs a compromise until the adblockers come more consistently out on top, I installed Youtube Ad Auto-skipper. It automatically triggers "skip ad" the moment it becomes clickable. There's a Chrome version too, I believe.
BoofStrokeBoohoo. Ad networks violate mine. My network. My computer. My rules.
Freetube has been the most headache free experience for me, since I don’t need to worry about getting my account banned if YouTube doesn’t like Adblock or having to fiddle with ublock. It allows importing of your feed too.
GranixoWatch pr0n.
Hey, I make that!
CarbonIceDragonIf you still want to use your subscriptions and such, and are okay with an extra click, right click the video instead of opening it and hit open in new private window (in Firefox, but Id assume similar features in other browsers also work, since we’re just trying to quickly open it in a tab where you aren’t logged in). For some reason, the anti-adblock seems to be account based currently, so you can keep using adblockers like ublock origin just as before if you aren’t logged in. At the time of writing at least.
Here is the uBlock Origin issue tracking YouTube’s anti-adblock attempts: github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/issues/19976
For your feedback to be seen and addressed, please post there, too. They’re not watching this Lemmy thread, and there won’t be any action items to come from feedback here alone.
Could try out grayjay only available sideloaded on android atm but open source and I believe coded in C#
ChozoIt's not open source. At least, not in the conventional sense. The source is available, but it's not under a traditional OSS license.
LoafyLemonIt is open source, it's just not libre.
It’s not even open source, it’s source-available.
Leave YouTube I suppose
Re-evaluate your life decisions and ask yourself how you got to 2023 without learning how to block ads.
OP is literally in this position because they are blocking ads