@i0null You forgot to show the "Artist" cat fishing out of another "Artist" cat's bucket.

All art is influenced by other artists. You go to galleries, you peruse books, adopt techniques from other artists, go to school and read copyrighted books and analyze what makes other pieces of art great. Then you go out and create new, derivative works that are based on your body of knowledge. It's called "getting an education."

That is literally and precisely what AIs do.

@coupland

No one is implying that lakes exist in a vacuum. Our idea of art (as with language, concepts, etc..) is socially constructed. I'm sure few would contest that.

But here the AI could take a first principles approach and fish alongside the artist. Instead it's screwing over the artist like the bourgeoisie screw the proletariat.

@velinion
@oliverherold
@porru
@walter4096

@i0null @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

some see AI as a tool of a few big companies.

but some big companies have an incentive to opensource their models (e.g. Meta is behind OpenAI , so to counter that threat, they've released free opensrouce LLMs to reduce demand for OpenAI)

I'd like to see everyone running their own AI locally (text+images) instead of leaving it to cloud services

ironically anti-AI campaigners are going to kill this possibility if they win

@walter4096 @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

If the models and datasets are open i think that does exemplify to some extent. However soon they will be so large that it will be impossible to run locally. obviously open models are concern to those who want to gatekeep but also those who want to circumvent restrictions. There are legit safety concerns about all this but I’m convinced a few in the industry would rather talks about sci-fi X-risk as a way of diverting attention away from the more prescient risks.

@i0null @walter4096 @velinion @oliverherold @porru The kind of prescient risks we should be talking about wrt AI are things like job displacement and wealth disparity. AI will create trillions in wealth how do we prevent those trillions from going to, like 2 people. But that's an economic & ethics discussion, it really has nothing to do with AI itself.

Instead we're distracted by "how do I get paid for every ChatGPT search" or "AI=evil" because it drives "likes" or "ZOMG! Extinction event!"

@coupland @walter4096 @velinion @oliverherold @porru

Exactly thats what I was refereing to. Accellerationism is going to exacerbate inequality. That trillions in wealth isn't just created, it's the potential to siphon it from other parts of the economy (mainly labour) and one of the problems is it's going to be a slow burn.

As in rather then AI strait up replacing people, it will simply slow new hires. And how can an economy address that without some kind of global body? A global body could also be a gift to the top AI firms that are able to lobby for regulatory capture.

@i0null @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

yeah regulatory capture is exactly my fear.

I'm just a lone tinkerer at the minute - I see huge potential being unlocked with these opensourced models , and a bunch of people arguing they should be shut down :/

I've been pro-tech all my life ever since my first 8bit machine. I've always seen it as an individual enabler, and without being 'left or right wing', opensource is very inline with that.

@walter4096 @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

Yeah it's such a shame that a technology with such emancipatory potential is more likely to hand greater power to the biggest players.

Many people say technology is neutral but the application of it certainly isn't.

I’ve been fairly surprized by Meta's commitment to open source but after that whole Cambridge Analytica scandal IMHO they're going to need to do a whole lot more to regain some reputation.

@i0null @coupland @velinion @oliverherold @porru

it's great how this emerged as a balancing mechanism

meta, google, microsoft,apple all saw what OpenAI were doing, and panicked.

MS bought OpenAI to stop them growing as the next tech giant(ie conversational interface)

Meta then opensourced their own (inferior) LLMs ("ok, we dont think we can get to 1st place, lets at least empower opensource community to stop Microsoft dominating completely")