Miriam BooshIMPORTANT
Tech people, could you please help Ursula, President of the European Commission, delete this tweet? It would be awfully embarrassing if it were to resurface, given her unwavering support of Israel đł
K4mpfie@Miriamm see the difference is it doesn't get so cold during winter in the Mediterranean so that's not an issue /s
DeusBut you need air-conditioning in the Mediterranean.
/s too
Also, post is funny as shit!
NickDamn! I seem to have boosted it by accident.
Humble Fan of Atty. Wooyes, and the same could be said about Israel doing the same in Gaza, affecting Palestinians too, who had nothing to do with striking out at Israel. Hamas is the enemy, Iran, too, Lebanon, too, Russia, too. carry on
justicesandwichWhat's your fetish with proving that this tactic is wrong?
It was used in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it was wrong then as well.
Elie đľđ¸đłď¸âđ (He/Him)@Miriamm you see Ukrainians are white Europeans, and Palestinians are not. So clearly itâs a war crime to inconvenience white people
zilla@Miriamm remember when it happens to brown and non-European people it is fine and they'll even send the bombs. That is the European way. Just keep the refugees drowning in the Mediterranean while they are at it
Petr MenĹĄĂk 
@Miriamm while I agree civilian loses are always bad, terrorist attack came to Israel from Gaza land, which doesn't try to hand responsible people and captives back. Unlike Ukraine there was attack to civilians first.
Freya Arson@pemensik @Miriamm That sounds an awful lot like justifying war crimes.
The conflict goes all the way back to when Israel illegally annexed Palestine. But for the sake of argument, can you really justify Israel's actions when they have killed reportedly twice as many civilians, targeted hospitals, and displaced about a million?
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Reid 
@Miriamm I truly don't understand why seemingly every politician in the west ever fails to understand the bs in Gaza now isn't like fighting Al-qaida in Afghanistan, rather it's literally a bunch of desperate people in an open air concentration camp being desperate, and a small handful of them turned to terrorism against their oppressor which, while horrible.... yeah, what else do you expect them to fucking do m8, peoeple turn to desperate measures in desperate times, if nothing else it's Israel's fault the Hamas attacks happened and that Hamas even exists at all
Clover@Reiddragon @Miriamm
> I truly don't understand why seemingly every politician in the west ever fails to understand the bs in Gaza
they understand it extremely well, they willingly support genocide and ethnic cleansing so long as it benefits them, the existence of Israel is good for the US and western hegemony, which means Israel committing crimes against humanity (by being an apartheid ethnostate, killing civilians, etc, etc) is supported by every single ghoulish western politician
the singular person who talked about Israel's crimes and terrorism in the UK (Corbyn) was slandered by the entire media apparatus as an anti-semite, being anti-Israel is not allowed, it goes against the ruling class interests.
> I truly don't understand why seemingly every politician in the west ever fails to understand the bs in Gaza
they understand it extremely well, they willingly support genocide and ethnic cleansing so long as it benefits them, the existence of Israel is good for the US and western hegemony, which means Israel committing crimes against humanity (by being an apartheid ethnostate, killing civilians, etc, etc) is supported by every single ghoulish western politician
the singular person who talked about Israel's crimes and terrorism in the UK (Corbyn) was slandered by the entire media apparatus as an anti-semite, being anti-Israel is not allowed, it goes against the ruling class interests.
@Clover @Miriamm tbh I don't even think it's a ruling class interest or any hegemony thing, I think it's just the shitty centrist belief of "people who belong to historically oppressed groups can't possibly be shitty!" that leads to the "criticizing Israel is antisemitism", and then Israel also gets the blind support of Christian fanatics, and ofc you can't forget most of the masses don't actually know about Israel's shitty history all they know is "Hamas did thing now Israel is responding to that" and for politicians it's easier to just go with that than try to explain to the masses "actually both Hamas and Israel suck ass and there's just a bunch of civilians, caught in the middle who'll fucking die by the hand of either the IDF or Hamas for no fucking reason other than historical conflicts over ethnicity and religion that have been plaguing that part of the world for decades
I absolutely disagree
I think itâs just the shitty centrist belief of âpeople who belong to historically oppressed groups canât possibly be shitty!â that leads to the âcriticizing Israel is antisemitismâ
these are the given justifications, not the purpose, if I asked you why the US invaded Iraq youâd say 9/11, but that was a justification, not the purpose.
then Israel also gets the blind support of Christian fanatics
this is a significant part of why America can fully support these horrific acts, they have a religious extremist base (and leadership) that believe Israel will lead to the end of times
ofc you canât forget most of the masses donât actually know about Israelâs shitty history all they know is âHamas did thing now Israel is responding to thatâ and for politicians itâs easier to just go with that than try to explain to the masses
I disagree, the masses not knowing about it is specifically something which is ensured through the ruling class controlled media in the west, youâve seen what happens to reporters that even suggest cheering on genocide is bad
this is a deliberate strategy, manufacturing consent through the controlled media.
politicians are complicit, the media is complicit, they are all cheering on this genocide.
for no fucking reason other than historical conflicts over ethnicity and religion that have been plaguing that part of the world for decades
I disagree with this framing, I wouldnât call a genocidal apartheid ethnostate doing ethnic cleansing âhistorical conflictsâ, by this measure the war in Ukraine is due to historical conflicts, and the fight against apartheid south africa was due to âhistorical conflictsâ, Israel isnât a historical conflict over ethnicity or religion, it is a colonial apartheid ethnostate.
@Clover @Miriamm
> the masses not knowing about it is specifically something which is ensured through the ruling class controlled media in the west
maybe you haven't met a normie in a while, but I have, and they literally could not give a shit less about Israel, the majority of people don't have a fuck to give about anything outside their own lives, be it because they're so privileged they don't have a care in the world, or because the system is chewing them so hard they're already stretched thin by their own life and have no energy left for international affairs
as for this "it's all the ruling class' master plan", you need to remember that most politicians are one of 2 types: fascists who have no shame in just saying what they want is to "cleanse the filth", whatever their flavour of fascism considers as "filth", or bureaucratic neoliberals who couldn't give a shit less about anything other than re-election and will just say whatever gives them the easiest time to get re-elected, which in most cases means just going with whatever the latest mass-hysteria is about, and the mainstream media going with the most bombastic framing to seed hysteria isn't part of any master plan either, it's just for-profit journalism leading to fucktons of lies, embellishment, exaggeration and what have you for the purpose of driving traffic to their site or getting people to watch them on TV or w/e
this is absolutely a systemic issue, but not as part of some coordinated master plan, not when the rulling class is mostly made up for capitalists and wars being pretty bad for business unless you're in the military industrial complex in which it actually just doesn't matter cause the US spends ungodly amounts on its army regardless of whether there's war or peace
oh and for the "historic conflict" bit, by that I meant "this issue goes back to Israel's founding, and there's a metric fuckton of history that just culminated in the genocide happening as we speak in Gaza
> the masses not knowing about it is specifically something which is ensured through the ruling class controlled media in the west
maybe you haven't met a normie in a while, but I have, and they literally could not give a shit less about Israel, the majority of people don't have a fuck to give about anything outside their own lives, be it because they're so privileged they don't have a care in the world, or because the system is chewing them so hard they're already stretched thin by their own life and have no energy left for international affairs
as for this "it's all the ruling class' master plan", you need to remember that most politicians are one of 2 types: fascists who have no shame in just saying what they want is to "cleanse the filth", whatever their flavour of fascism considers as "filth", or bureaucratic neoliberals who couldn't give a shit less about anything other than re-election and will just say whatever gives them the easiest time to get re-elected, which in most cases means just going with whatever the latest mass-hysteria is about, and the mainstream media going with the most bombastic framing to seed hysteria isn't part of any master plan either, it's just for-profit journalism leading to fucktons of lies, embellishment, exaggeration and what have you for the purpose of driving traffic to their site or getting people to watch them on TV or w/e
this is absolutely a systemic issue, but not as part of some coordinated master plan, not when the rulling class is mostly made up for capitalists and wars being pretty bad for business unless you're in the military industrial complex in which it actually just doesn't matter cause the US spends ungodly amounts on its army regardless of whether there's war or peace
oh and for the "historic conflict" bit, by that I meant "this issue goes back to Israel's founding, and there's a metric fuckton of history that just culminated in the genocide happening as we speak in Gaza
@Reiddragon @Miriamm
> the majority of people don't have a fuck to give about anything outside their own lives, be it because they're so privileged they don't have a care in the world, or because the system is chewing them so hard they're already stretched thin by their own life and have no energy left for international affairs
my point here was that those that *do* care about the topic (like people who watch fox news, cnn, cnbc, etc) are all misinformed on it, and those who do not care are also misinformed, so the general western normie perspective ends up being a mix of not caring and Israel defending itself from terrorists
> as for this "it's all the ruling class' master plan"
I've never said it was a master plan, it is simply in the ruling class's (capitalists) interest, so it happens.
> you need to remember that most politicians are one of 2 types: fascists who have no shame in just saying what they want is to "cleanse the filth", whatever their flavour of fascism considers as "filth", or bureaucratic neoliberals who couldn't give a shit less about anything other than re-election and will just say whatever gives them the easiest time to get re-elected
so most politicians are either servants of capital (openly pushes for hate) or servants of capital (indifferent to hate), both serve capitalist (ruling class) interests
> and the mainstream media going with the most bombastic framing to seed hysteria isn't part of any master plan either, it's just for-profit journalism leading to fucktons of lies, embellishment, exaggeration and what have you for the purpose of driving traffic to their site or getting people to watch them on TV or w/e
the amount of of pro-israel propaganda in media is too large for it to just be them chasing capitalist approval and money, they're also following money from the Israeli lobby, but in any case, the fact that news is beholden to capital in and of itself means that the news pushes things that serve capitalist interests
> this is absolutely a systemic issue
yes, capitalism.
> but not as part of some coordinated master plan, not when the rulling class is mostly made up for capitalists and wars being pretty bad for business unless you're in the military industrial complex in which it actually just doesn't matter cause the US spends ungodly amounts on its army regardless of whether there's war or peace
absolutely incorrect, western capitalist power depends on the power of US empire through neo-colonialism and on the power of western hegemony, their profits depend on these things
for the military industrial complex it absolutely ***does*** make a difference when there's an active conflict and people are getting killed, they get to use up old weapon stock and manufacture and sell more, have you taken a look at the stocks of defense contractors lately? https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/industrials/defense-stocks/
really gotta wonder why they all suddenly jumped on october 9th, almost like something happened after the markets closed that weekend
> oh and for the "historic conflict" bit, by that I meant "this issue goes back to Israel's founding, and there's a metric fuckton of history that just culminated in the genocide happening as we speak in Gaza
fair, I mistook what you said.
> the majority of people don't have a fuck to give about anything outside their own lives, be it because they're so privileged they don't have a care in the world, or because the system is chewing them so hard they're already stretched thin by their own life and have no energy left for international affairs
my point here was that those that *do* care about the topic (like people who watch fox news, cnn, cnbc, etc) are all misinformed on it, and those who do not care are also misinformed, so the general western normie perspective ends up being a mix of not caring and Israel defending itself from terrorists
> as for this "it's all the ruling class' master plan"
I've never said it was a master plan, it is simply in the ruling class's (capitalists) interest, so it happens.
> you need to remember that most politicians are one of 2 types: fascists who have no shame in just saying what they want is to "cleanse the filth", whatever their flavour of fascism considers as "filth", or bureaucratic neoliberals who couldn't give a shit less about anything other than re-election and will just say whatever gives them the easiest time to get re-elected
so most politicians are either servants of capital (openly pushes for hate) or servants of capital (indifferent to hate), both serve capitalist (ruling class) interests
> and the mainstream media going with the most bombastic framing to seed hysteria isn't part of any master plan either, it's just for-profit journalism leading to fucktons of lies, embellishment, exaggeration and what have you for the purpose of driving traffic to their site or getting people to watch them on TV or w/e
the amount of of pro-israel propaganda in media is too large for it to just be them chasing capitalist approval and money, they're also following money from the Israeli lobby, but in any case, the fact that news is beholden to capital in and of itself means that the news pushes things that serve capitalist interests
> this is absolutely a systemic issue
yes, capitalism.
> but not as part of some coordinated master plan, not when the rulling class is mostly made up for capitalists and wars being pretty bad for business unless you're in the military industrial complex in which it actually just doesn't matter cause the US spends ungodly amounts on its army regardless of whether there's war or peace
absolutely incorrect, western capitalist power depends on the power of US empire through neo-colonialism and on the power of western hegemony, their profits depend on these things
for the military industrial complex it absolutely ***does*** make a difference when there's an active conflict and people are getting killed, they get to use up old weapon stock and manufacture and sell more, have you taken a look at the stocks of defense contractors lately? https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/industrials/defense-stocks/
really gotta wonder why they all suddenly jumped on october 9th, almost like something happened after the markets closed that weekend
> oh and for the "historic conflict" bit, by that I meant "this issue goes back to Israel's founding, and there's a metric fuckton of history that just culminated in the genocide happening as we speak in Gaza
fair, I mistook what you said.
David Reinertson@Miriamm Ukraine is defending Ukraine against a Russian invasion. It acknowledges Russiaâs right to exist. Putin can end the war be leaving.
The anti Zionists can end the war with a peace treaty.
The anti Zionists can end the war with a peace treaty.