meiko60Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak
JackbyDevY’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
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DasnapFrom what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
ares35the last one you "buy", anyway.
dan1101That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I with so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
Will win 7 be the last ever usable OS from Microsoft, or will Windows 13 turn out decent? Only time will tell.
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
Win 10 was decent, perhaps better than Win 7 in many ways. It doesn’t hold a candle to Linux though. I’ve been almost entirely on Linux since Vista, and the last time I booted into Windows was last year to get Minecraft Bedrock set up for my kid so he could play with his friend (that friend flaked, so we haven’t bothered since).
My kids have pretty much only used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (my Linux flavor of choice) and ChromeOS (at school).
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
now that gaming is getting better on Linux thanks to proton, I am unbothered
Exactly what I was thinking.
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers
Who can’t have them? 90-some percent of Linux distributions make them available to those who are unfortunate enough to need them.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
Hang on…
Some distros (mint, Ubuntu) prompt the user to install proprietary drivers during the installation process, it’s very easy.
On Windows you have to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website and install them manually, that’s crazy!
Do you use Windows? That’s not at all what you have to do. Windows Update has been pulling drivers for years now.
The pro Linux, anti windows bullshit on Lemmy is fucking ridiculous
So some drivers are not installed like I said
No, you said:
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
You’re moving the goalposts.
Debian comes with proprietary drivers now
I think it comes with proprietary firmware, not drivers.
Apologies, mixed up the terms in my head
It’s called Linux MInt.
VR Support is sorely lacking, though. And no, the Quest standalone is not a solution - it’s an android device strapped to your face.
PerogiBoiThe Valve Index works natively on Linux.
Virtual Desktop / Oculis does not
Seems like an odd direction when a lot services are moving online and to SaaS based solutions, removing the dependency of a specific underlying OS.
This is just another move in that direction. Maybe the next version will be a thin client where you stream most of your apps. The pricing wouldn’t change, only where apps are run.
pricing would change, you think they'd let you run 'apps' for free?
I’m guessing there would be one base charge for the OS, and additional charges for whatever apps you opt into.
Yeah, please do that. It will be great!
“Might want to be making…”
Weird ass attempt at future perfect tense?
ChatGPT, make my sentence coherent.
Is it wrong? Definitely awkward, but I've seen this construction before. Not a native speaker...
e0qdkI think it's probably an Indian English-ism. It's understandable but sounds weird to a speakers of American English (and maybe other English dialects).
A more natural sounding title (to an American English speaker) would use "Microsoft is making" or "Microsoft is planning to make" rather than "Microsoft might want to be making".
Might want to make?
It’s English, so it’s difficult to be wrong, but that phrase do be weird.
SuiXi3DThis is what happens when one part of their business (Game Pass) does well and they want to translate that success to other operations. What they don’t realize is that Windows is less a product and more a service, and you can’t make money on services. Not for long, anyway.
The whole point of this is Microsoft potentially treating windows as a service
Right, but I meant a service in the traditional sense, like trains or food stamps or whatever. Windows is so ubiquitous with operating a PC at this point, and they’ve literally given it away for free for so long at this point that if they start charging a subscription for it nobody’s gonna go along with it. Microsoft’ll be in the same position they are now, but they’ll lose a lot of money implementing this BS.
Hot SaucermanWho isnt going to go along with it?
Gotta be like 90% of people have never installed an OS because Windows was already on their PC when they bought it.
To them, its part of buying a PC. They don’t consider the OS a seperate purchase.
If they make this move they’re banking on people not noticing until after they’ve bought a shiny new PC. After that most people will suffer the cost because they already own the PC and its just “easier.”
I look forward to welcoming all the new Linux users 🙂
EezyvilleI look forward to all the complaints on how linux isn’t like windows. :)
Will you? Do you? To have and to hold? In sickness and in health?
(des)mosthenesrip windows; thank you valve and proton
EpicFailGuyThey’re too smart to do this …
More likely they will make the base OS free and charge for the premium SaaS features … like they already do with one drive, O365 and game pass
Yeah that seems like the more likely move, have a free tier that starts off decent and a premium tier with ‘power features’ or whatever, and then slowly drift almost everything over to the ‘premium’ tier until in a few years you won’t be able to change your desktop wallpaper without paying. That definitely sounds like the MS way to me.
they've already done various low-cost or no-cost (to the oem) windows editions that you can't change wallpaper, or default search engine, and even one that limited multitasking, disabled some network functions, and had hard limits on ram and total disk space.
Is that what Win 10 X was? I thought it was supposed to be a light build
windows 8 'with bing', and 'starter' editions of earlier versions, are the ones that came to mind.
YUP! And then something like a 1 year free demo when you buy a computer from an OEM … to make sure all the normies get used to it.
Right of the M$ playbook.
I for once can’t wait, it’s going to be a fun dumpster fire to watch
Seems a dumb way to destroy the desktop PC market.
People will feel scammed that after one year everything needs a subscription, will dump that shit on eBay, prices will crash, and the market will be dominated by iPads with mouse and keyboards
They may still for enterprise customers.