NightOwl11 arrested in protest at Sen. Bernie Sanders’s office over war in Ukraine
imPastaSyndromeTHAT’S the war they choose to protest?
bdonvrTurns out being anti-war protesters means they’re ANTI WAR.
What do you want them to do? Raise funds to send some missles over?
I can respect the desire for a policy of complete non-intervention.
cringe. It’s actually good to take action to reduce harm.
Is it actually reducing harm to fight to the last Ukrainian though? There were multiple attempts at peace that were sabotaged by either nazi paramilitaries or nato-member politicians. Remember when Zelensky traveled to the front to tell them to respect the ceasefire during Minsk 2 and they didn’t?
Walt J. RimmerIs it actually reducing harm to fight to the last Ukrainian though?
When Russia is trying to commit genocide against Ukraine? Yes.
Do you have a source for Russia doing genocide or are you just referring to the war?
It’s been widely reported by numerous nations and organizations. Search for “Russian genocide Ukraine” and you’ll see plenty of credible sources
I’m wondering if you just posted the link without reading any results and are just doubling down to sound correct.
One of the first articles is AP news reporting UN backed human rights groups calling it genocide
apnews.com/…/russia-ukraine-war-human-rights-663b…
And an article by Time reporting the kidnapping of children being investigated as genocide, and that there is already enough evidence for the allegations
UN rights experts decry war crimes by Russia in Ukraine and look into genocide allegations
Independent U.N.-backed human rights experts say they have turned up continued evidence of war crimes committed by Russian forces in their war against Ukraine. It includes torture — some with such “brutality” that it led to death — and rape of women as old as 83 years old. Members of the U.N. Independent Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine also expressed concerns about allegations of genocide by Russian forces and are looking into them. The team said evidence showed crimes committed on both sides, but that vastly more and a wider array of abuses were committed by Russian forces than by Ukrainian troops.
loathsome dongeaterNone of these articles formally come to the conclusion that there is a definitive genocide. They are meant to bait racist bloodthirsty rubes like you to into acting on your biases.
Members of the U.N. Independent Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine also expressed concerns about allegations of genocide by Russian forces, and said they’re looking into them.
expressed concerns about allegations
looking into them
Keep hallucinating wishfully.
From statista:
The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 9,614 civilian deaths during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as of September, 2023. Furthermore, 17,535 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.
Even if these estimates are extremely conservative they are low for a genocide. Perhaps Russians are just terrible at genocide and should learn from Americans.
Guess I should start following Russian State News instead for the truth. Find out how there is no war, just a special operation to liberate the Ukrainian people from their nazi (Jewish) leadership
No point continuing this conversation. Have a good day
Jewish leadership?
President Zelenskyy is from a Ukrainian Jewish family. At the start of the war Russia claimed Ukraine was taken over by Nazis and they were trying to liberate the country. It was a ridiculous claim and they had to come up with other justifications afterwards
Is it fair to characterise the Ukrainian leadership as Jewish because the President is Jewish?
With the same logic you could say that the USA was under “black leadership” when Obama was president. Whether that is technically true depends on what you mean by “black leadership” and what your expect to entail from it. However, under the leadership of the black president and various black members of House and Senate, black people still continued to be ghettoised, red lined, incarcerated disproportionately, and in general be socioeconomically disadvantaged.
With that in mind, is a Jewish president an enough of an influence to declare the whole leadership Jewish? How do you reconcile that with the constant barrage photos of Ukrainian soldiers with SS and Banderite insignias and tattoos?
Well, in context of “the Nazis have taken over and our only option is a military operation to remove the government”, I highly doubt the Nazis would allow a Jewish person to be elected as president in the first place. If they don’t have that ability then they clearly don’t have enough power to justify a foreign invasion
If they were serious about stopping Nazis maybe they should have started with Dmitry Utkin who has Nazi tattoos and literally named the state-funded Wagner group after Hitler’s favorite composer.
It’s almost like this has never been about stopping Nazis at all
I highly doubt the Nazis would allow a Jewish person to be elected as president in the first place
Why would they not allow that? Literally one Jewish in a seat of power is enough for people like you to turn a blind eye towards entire Nazi batallions. This is after I gave the example of the Obama and how a leader’s identity is not necessarily concominant with the direction the state is headed in. Similarly one picture of Utkin with Nazi tattoos is enough to convince you that Wagner in its entirety is Nazi or Nazi aligned or whatever your point is but you won’t extend the same courtesy towards Biletsky or the photos of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbology.
It ia possible that Putin and Russia are not ideologically opposed to Nazism though with the WW2 it seems unlikely. Normal people don’t believe that the Russian invasion is Putin’s holy crusade against the Nazi ideology or a Duginist quest to expand the Russian empire. People who don’t base their ontology off of Harry Potter understand that war and conflict for materially grounded reasons rather than ideological initiatives. Russia’s invasion was provoked by a US backed coup which installed a pro-US leadership at Russia’s doorstep and armed nao-Nazi militias that have been waging an ethnic war against the Russian speaking regions of Ukraine that did not accept the legitimacy of the post-coup government. It does not matter if they are Nazis or Death Eaters of whatever. The war is a response to agressive posturing by the west. Discussions of ideological and rhetorical honesty are not relevant.
Well thank God we’re sending those Nazis out to die, then!
Who is we?
The royal we of “whomsoever you’re saying is at fault for ‘forcing this war’” including NATO, US, etc
I feel like you were trying to make a point instead of typing gibberish but I can’t tell what is was