Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man

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It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison. The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor. The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy. “They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021. When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.

Everyone in this case is just stupid, and stupid people aren’t a threat to society, and putting these people in prison hurts the already-traumatized girl even further. She should be removed from the home and both adults should be liable for child support while also under a no-contact order until the child is 18 and can decide to continue it or not.

This probably doesn’t need to be said but Oklahoma is a shitty hellscape.

Sure, let’s just ignore all the rape because the defendants are stupid.

As you can see by reading my post, I did not ignore the sexual assault.

However, no one gains from these people being imprisoned and people who want others “punished” should not be in the room when adult decisions are being made.

A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.

You totally ignored the sexual assault. You said it’s just “stupidity.” Raping an 11-year old girl is a lot more than stupidity. They all need to go to prison.
My comment is pretty short and this should not be difficult to parse.

I wouldn’t say you justified, buuuuuuut, you are literally reducing the punishment of the adults because of some perceived additional damage to the abused child. Which almost totally removes the accountability for the act, the only accountability in this case is separation, which would need to be done either way.

I would say this girl has been so unprotected by her guardians and the rest of the family that separation will be a net positive for her in the future.

You’re characterization of the other person’s totally normal opinion as evil tells me everything I need to know about you tho.

literally reducing the punishment of the adults

Yes. Punishment is meaningless in the current prison system and has no reason to exist other than to slake the bloodthirst of the populace.

If someone is not an imminent threat to others they should not be imprisoned.

The dude who was in the relationship to the 12 year old and either didn’t realize his impact or didn’t care, as well as the mother you mean? I would argue they continue to pose a real danger to the daughter, and that man committed an egregious act of abuse on a child who was at worse coerced and at best a victim of a much older person.

I have no trust he won’t engage in this same behavior again. Unless you think it was just an exceptional 12 year old? Like have you met any 12 year olds so wise and beautiful you forgot about the fact they were 12 and just wanted to fuck a baby into them?

Although I totally agree that the prison system in the US is a short of torture/slave labor system and many of the people engaged in that system are due to circumstances rather than “crime”.

Absolutely not the case here, this is a pretty easy call to make imo?

This would be why I suggested they not be allowed to contact said daughter
So let the dude prey on other children? Or spend resources on closely monitoring him for however long his parole is, same with the mom. But as you noted, these “stupid” people are a continuing risk, right? I don’t know, maybe this is the appropriate use of prison, I do wish there were education and rehabilitation programs that weren’t gutted, but in this case prison solves so many problems for the victim!

Per the article, he was in a “genuine” (I mean, obviously not but still) relationship with the child, after breaking up with the mom.

I don’t see this scenario repeating. Both the adults need serious therapy and obviously the kid does now too.