Pythagorean Theorem Found On Clay Tablet 1,000 Years Older Than Pythagoras

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Study math for long enough and you will likely have cursed Pythagoras’s name, or said “praise be to Pythagoras” if you’re a bit of a fan of triangles. But while Pythagoras was an important historical figure in the development of mathematics, he did not figure out the equation most associated with him (a2 + b2 = c2). In fact, there is an ancient Babylonian tablet (by the catchy name of IM 67118) which uses the Pythagorean theorem to solve the length of a diagonal inside a rectangle. The tablet, likely used for teaching, dates from 1770 BCE – centuries before Pythagoras was born in around 570 BCE.

Ah yes the Claytablorean Theorem
Are you saying that IM67118 Theorem is not recognized?
Recognized or not, I will be wondering if Pythagoras was actually the Edison of his time…
I have no doubt he discovered it independently and just knew better how to articulate its importance.
According to the article, the theorem was named for him out of respect for starting a school-society thing whose members in turn developed & popularized the theorem. So you should perhaps have at least some doubt
Well ok I’ll give a lil doubt.
Mathematicians can have a lil doubt, as a treat

Shoulda been scientists or detectives

They they could have all the doubt they want

Mathematicians have to express confidence intervals
Pythagoras CANCELLED for ACADEMIC PLAGIARISM
I can hear this headline in Buzzfeed, Fox, and HuffPost fonts.
You sir, win the internet today.

3 hours later

Pythagoras issues an apology video from stealing his crowning achievement from a piece of clay

Tablet man sues Pythagoras for IP infringement
How do I pronounce 17 arrows pointed in different directions? click click clack?
Telephone router noises, the universal language
The Sound of the Ancient Babylonian Language (Epic of Gilgamesh)

YouTube
Was he playing a ukulele?
“All aboard the clay tablet train”

Three hours after that

“Justice Department launches investigation into accusations of missing persons in the Pythagorean Cult compound.”

“It was just parallel thinking, bro…”
Could’ve sworn there were already other instances of people discovering before Pythagoras even before this.
I thought it was well established that Pythagoras didn’t actually derive his namesake theorem?
It's a matter of debate whether he discovered it independently or not, though we've known he wasn't the first for a while.
Everyone learns something new everyday. How often have you seen a TIL and thought, “doesn’t everyone know that”
Ten Thousand

xkcd
Someone here is seeing this xkcd for the first time just now...
This is my favourite xkcd
People can re-invent and re-discover things. It still happens all the time in this day and age of worldwide massive communications. I’d be surprised if the right angle theorem didn’t get discovered thousands of times throughout history.

Browsing the wikis, I got the impression research is unconclusive. We don’t know if he had a role regarding the theorem, and what it was.

There is debate whether the Pythagorean theorem was discovered once, or many times in many places, and the date of first discovery is uncertain, as is the date of the first proof. Historians of Mesopotamian mathematics have concluded that the Pythagorean rule was in widespread use during the Old Babylonian period (20th to 16th centuries BC), over a thousand years before Pythagoras was born.[68][69][70][71]

The German version also talks about the various roles Pythagoras might have had or not had regarding the theorem, and how research is unconclusive. One such possibility is that this older Clay Tablet applied the theorem without being able to prove it, and Pythagoras or one of his students could have found a proof.

Also:

The history of the theorem can be divided into four parts: knowledge of Pythagorean triples, knowledge of the relationship among the sides of a right triangle, knowledge of the relationships among adjacent angles, and proofs of the theorem within some deductive system.

So there were lots of meaningful steps one could achieve without actually deriving the theorem. Maybe people were happy to just use math because it works, and a thousand years later someone bothered to prove why.

Satz des Pythagoras – Wikipedia

I think the consensus at this point was Pythagorus probably didn’t even exist, given no writings of his were ever found. It’s more likely he a was a mythic/ideological figure.
“Non-existent man publicly called out for misappropriating clay tablet.”
You encouraged me to go look him up on Wikipedia. The history and legend of Pythagoras is some crazy shit apparently

damn. why did schools only teach the super boring part about the triangles. dude had the golden thigh of apollo and the super-speed of hermes.

also, it really sounds like he was a cult leader.

No shit… these are like old Chuck Norris facts:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras

the priest of Apollo gave Pythagoras a magic arrow, which he used to fly over long distances and perform ritual purifications

A fragment from Aristotle records that, when a deadly snake bit Pythagoras, he bit it back and killed it.

he once convinced a notoriously destructive bear to swear that it would never harm a living thing again, and that the bear kept its word

Pythagoras - Wikipedia

Kinda makes you wonder if future archeologists would know the difference between the jokes being jokes about chuck Norris vs us believing he was a god that we worshipped. Maybe that’s all mythology is, some running gags that everyone took seriously.

a god that we worshipped

Would they be wrong? What’s the line between idolization and worship?

I would argue praying to them and doing acts in their name. Although that last part could be twisted.
👏 Dear Harambe…
Source? Seems like Wikipedia thinks he existed.

Will any of our writings be found in 2500 years? Are we a myth…?

It seems to be a case similar to Socrates, or Jesus. Nice how Pythagoras was supposed to perform miracles, and stay a month “dead” just to later come back to life.

Unless you’re a contemporary, you’ll just be a story.

Will any of our writings be found in 2500 years?

The media on which our electronic data is stored have lifespans measured in just years. Everything that the Internet consists of right now, unless it’s endlessly copied forward, will be lost.

There’s a copy of Wikipedia on the moon and the orbiting Tesla. With a shelf live of a few billion years.
Luckily the moon is a quick day-trip away in case we return to sticks and stones.
The point being it’s for a humanity that recovered scientific progress in a place techno-barbarians cant ruin or, failing that, others 👽

The year is 5123. We have meticulously deciphered texts from the early 21st century, providing us with a wealth of knowledge. Yet one question still eludes us to this day:

Who the heck is Magic 8. Ball?

I thought Jesus was a proven historical figure, because we have some independent Roman info about him.

Sort of. Tacitus, for example, mentions his execution a hundred years later but his cult was relatively popular, spreading throughout the Jewish diaspora, having a notable presence in Rome itself, and presumably played a part in a massive rebellion in Judaea. Of course, a lot of the Roman sources could also be fabricated references, but Tacitus’s is considered reliable.

There isn’t a document saying “Pilate had this dude executed today” but there are sources saying “That dude Pilate executed back in the day has a cult and they’re being annoying.”

So yes, there almost certainty was a cult leader that was executed and his followers believed he was divine, or at least started saying he was within a couple decades of his death, but we, for example, don’t even have a primary source that his name was Yeshua. We mostly know for certain that people worshipped a guy named Yeshua a century after his probable death.

But history is funny, and cults are weird.

It’s not impossible, for example, a man with a cult named something too “ethnic” for Greeks and Romans to pronounce was stabbed by a Roman by the side of the road. They scatter and start telling everyone about how a soldier of Pilate martyred their God, it becomes a crucifixion over time where a soldier stabs him in the side, and everyone gives up on correcting people that his name wasn’t “Josh” and just rolls with it because at least they’re getting the “Christ” title right.

But we don’t have a source for that version, so you can broadly assume a dude named Jesus was baptized by John, crucified by Pilate, and these were reliable events even if everything else isn’t.

That’s a beautiful answer, thanks!
Sorry didn’t read the article, but time travel has been proven?
I don’t know about you, but I regularly perform time travel at a rate of one second per second.
So you are accelerating?
That’s relative
Don’t mess with relatives while time travelling.
Omg! I didn’t know Pythagoras taught at Harvard