CustosliberaYour big brain conservtive/capitalist takes will be laughed at
Inevitable Waffles [Ohio]In the marketplace of ideas, rightwing thoughts will be mocked, as they always should been…
A heel dragging regressive policy opinion should always be met as such. The world will never go back to the Wild West with gun laws, whites owning everything, women are property etc; to have a political viewpoint desiring these things and feel that it is correct is laughable.
Free market Capitalism is the greatest economic system to ever exist.
DeceptichumDipping my dick into a vat of acid is the greatest pleasure to ever exist.
HotDogFingiesOhh, the peelies
Whatever floats your boat my dude!
What free market? All I have ever known is corporate socialism. Subsidize business with taxpayer dollars. Regulatory capture to prevent competitors from entering the market.
Somehow it’s not socialist when you prop up corporate entities with billion dollar handouts a few times a decade everytime they fuck up but a single mom getting $100 only usable for food because she was let go from her job of 5 years with 10 minutes notice is a communist plot single handedly destroying America.
Communist governments do the exact same thing, except if you talk about it they send you straight to the gulag.
Lmfao imagine simping so hard you believe nobody goes to jail in the name of capitalism.
Or gets taken out
Or has their government interfered with or overthrown
Nope capitalism is love 💖 uWu 💖
That’s the point. Whoooosh.
Delete your account and leave society, you’re not welcome ANYWHERE.
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Cope and Seethe commie
Says the rightwing scum getting shunned wherever they go.
Hence why our economy is going to shit.
We need to eliminate the corruption and return to free market principles, not add even more buerocracy that only benefits the Oligarchs.
My dude, the people that run the companies ARE the oligarchs.
How braindead does one have to be to believe the companies fucking you over with regulation will stop without.
Govern me harder daddy! 🤣
Wow, your little brainlet really got triggered, huh?
m-p{3}The profits are privatized, and the bailouts are socialized.
You must have limited aspirations if this is the best you can imagine.
If you have a better system for the future, let’s hear it.
And no, a reboot of communism doesn’t count. Fresh ideas please.
“If you have a better system let’s hear it”
any suggestion than the current system
“No NO NOOOOO! IT’S NOT CRONY CAPITALISM! WAHHHH!”
Communism was a failure, end of story. Come up with something else.
Communism hasn’t ever even been implemented, except in small communes.
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tocopherolJust one example, Democratic Confederalism. There are thousands of possibilities, even within the scope of ‘communism’. To think free-market capitalism is the best that can be come up with is a severe underestimation of the powers of human ingenuity.
Finally someone willing to think outside the box! Thanks for posting, this looks like a good read.
That is one of my biggest gripes with political discourse of all varieties, lack of creativity. I admit don’t know enough about the ‘democratic confederalism’ to fully support it, but from what I’ve heard it is compelling, it just comes to mind when I think of the question of capitalism vs communism.
I’d be interested to hear what you think communism is but I digress.
My better system starts with providing universal healthcare, education and housing.
That’s it. I want people to not go bankrupt for going to the hospital, not take out huge loans for university education and not have to pay exorbitant housing costs.
If you think this is fairy land dreams you have no comprehension of how much money is currently being redirected from these very things into the hands of capitalists so they can have a bigger yacht.
IzzyDataIt’s the best at creating rampant consumerism and waste in the name of fake numbers going up at the cost of human happiness and fulfillment.
Nope, that would be your government interfering in the free market by issuing inflationary fiat currency.
Inflation drives a spend it or lose it mentality. Crony capitalists love that shit.
What makes you say that? As a random example, leaded gasoline existed for 50 years longer than it should have. We’ve known lead was toxic since the Roman empire, and the only reason it was invented was to increase profits.
Pretty much the whole world used leaded gasoline and capitalist countries were the first to phase it out. US phased it out relatively early compared to others, Japan was afaik the first to outright ban it in 86. My ex-eastern bloc country only fully banned it in 2002.
I recall a significant event that happened to the Eastern bloc not long after countries started banning leaded gas, could it be that the collapse of an entire political system prevented those countries from handling that?
What does the usage have to do with it? It was invented strictly for profit, and as such, leaded gas was the only thing being manufactured. Cars had to be specifically tuned to use it.
Romans died from lead in the aqueducts by the tens of thousands in Pompeii so saying they “knew” is misrepresentative to say the least. They didn’t know why. Do you really need hyperbole to make your point?
Before modern germ theory, we thought nightshade killed us because it unbalanced our humors. The why isn’t important, it’s the understanding of toxicity.
You see all these people out here suffering and still say this? Where in the world can I get what you are taking because I’d love to be able to tune out everything that hard.
It's not that capitalism doesn't have flaws. It's that all the other systems so far have had worse and bigger flaws. Regulated capitalism with welfare is the least bad system by a wide margin.
This guy gets it.
The governments job should be to act as referee, ensuring fair and orderly markets. Nothing more, nothing less.
Track_ShovelLemmy feels a lot more authentic to real life. If I started talking about tinfoil hat conspiracies, my friends would ridicule me to no end.
As they should.
Same here.
If I start talking to random people in a bar odds are I won’t meet a single one who will start calling me a Nazi because I believe in the Uyghur genocide…
How is the Uyghur genocide a right wing thing? I’m out of the loop here
Go ask the hexbear users!
Tankies tend to assume any accusation against a Marxist state is either a lie or the victims deserve it.
One of the reasons is you’ve got people like the Heritage Foundation running around including Nazis in their “victims of socialism” lists.
Both as the victims and perpetrators btw, lmao.
Mostly though they just seem weirdly stuck in a Cold War mentality.
Everybody loves jerking off about failed states but leave out how they always have to make it a vacuum while constantly under fire, conspiracy, and embargo by every capitalist state on the planet.
Ok, but how does that change the fact that Lemmy’s communists will call you a Nazi for pointing out the genocides perpetrated by those States?
…but but… what about…?
RickyRigatoniIt’s not whataboutism when the person is bringing the conversation back to the topic that another person whatabouted away from.
On today’s episode of “Things everyone says lemmy leftists do but have never been able to provide examples of”
Nah, it’s just that when provided with examples people like you either stop responding or try to find a justification for it.
So, you can’t provide examples and just need a narrative to attack anything you don’t like.
Got it.
Is the admin saying an instance is filled with Nazis enough for you?
And they went with the “stop replying” option
See? You stopped responding.
And there are no conservative ideas that aren’t tinfoil hat conspiracies, I guess
There are some - ideas that people should just eat shit and work as slaves.
True, I’d expect pretty wild conspiracies like flat earth and chemtrails to be laughed at here, but a disturbing number of lemmings and even progressives in general follow a set of less outlandish - but more insidious - conspiracies that usually fall into the “collusion and malice” type. I could say that General Motors et al. killed most of the US passenger rail and streetcar systems, and most people here would accept that as a fact. Case closed, capitalism is evil and should be abolished, every bad thing is cause by someone with I’ll intentions making it worse.
I, however, tend to be suspicious of those sorts of takes in general. Returning to the alleged “streetcar conspiracy”I’ve actually done quite a lot of research into this and can decidedly say that the primary cause of the decline of mass transit in the US was… There were at least 5 primary causes, none of which were shadowy groups deliberately working to destroy it. Rather it was killed by a changing urban environment, failures to adapt to modal shifts, legacy streetcar systems just generally sucking, and local governments taking transit for granted and assuming that they can hold streetcar companies to exacting standards while expecting them to remain solvent, all while not considering it their problem.
I could go on, and can send some sources and references (maybe not direct links though) if you’d like to learn more. But my main point is that far too many people assume there’s a nefarious actor pulling the strings the whole time when it’s usually several factors lining up all the holes in the Swiss cheese and creating a negative externality we still talk about to this day.
There (usually) isn’t a conspiracy, and if there is it’s unlikely to be anywhere near as all-encompassing as you think. People say there is because it gives them someone to blame, helps channel their anger at something tangible, and just makes a good story.
Rather it was killed by a changing urban environment, failures to adapt to modal shifts, legacy streetcar systems just generally sucking, and local governments taking transit for granted and assuming that they can hold streetcar companies to exacting standards while expecting them to remain solvent, all while not considering it their problem.
You forgot things like automotive companies buying up streetcar companies and running them into the ground, as well as racist developers just loving the chance to demolish black neighbourhoods and red-lining suburbia. Things like building bridges just low enough so that buses cannot drive under them to keep parks reachable via those underpasses clear of the riff-raff.
Would the whole thing have happened if only the car companies were into it? No, I don’t think so. But they were very much part of the wider push, and participated actively in it out of a profit motive. Municipalities or local industry could’ve backed the streetcar companies, for example, protecting them against a hostile takeover from companies which very much were interested in their demise and push the US modal shift towards sheer absurdity. Municipal building/infrastructure codes could’ve caught those too low bridges.
Most conspiracy stuff is usually not “shadowy cabal somewhere” but interests of independent actors aligning. Conspiracy in the secrecy sense only comes into play when actors need to collude and said collusion is illegal, or, at the least, would generate too much public backlash.
Honestly, this place is full of communists. I’m not the biggest fan of communists, to be frank. There is a lot of backwards ideas that get accepted as “leftist,” when they’re really statist. Particularly revisionist history statist. If a communist party said it, you gotta defend it kinda thing.