TinyTimmyTokyoCroatia shutters a libertarian paradise, orange site readers have a sad
selfDefine “scam”? Who is trying to scam who in this situation? The Liberlanders feel more like a LARP group than any sort of pyramid scheme, and it’s not like there was any serious risk of them actually receiving recognition and depriving the actual nations nearby of the (as you point out) worthless land.
whenever I see LARP in any context but literal live action roleplaying (nerds doing nerd shit in the woods, and even then it can be iffy) what follows is the worst fucking take I’ve ever seen. is LARPing just how libertarian fuckheads cover for their illegal militia shit these days?
David Gerardthe Croatian authorities were just keeping in character
kunaLARP in any context but literal live action roleplaying
What I found interesting is that the word “larp” seems to have evolved into description of decidedly non-live action roleplaying, as in “larping an anarchist online”.
geriksonAs if on cue:
PJ "Vote Green" CoffeyThe original article is actually a really nuanced take. I read the Lemmy(?) Thread first and the fascination with the secrecy point... goodness.
A lot of Larpers won't want someone just stood there watching because it breaks immersion (I.e. the point of the game). But if someone wants to whack on a tabard or other light costume to not look out of place then that's fine.
“If you were just LARPing, why did you need live explosives?” yeah, that's not a LARP!
I am no fan of the FBI, but there is a certain joy in how much the resident fascists at the orange site seem to hate that the jig is up
Christopher WoodThe sheer comedy of libertarians rules-lawyering international law for their intermittently flooded microstate though. As opposed to, say, using free contracts between individuals.
Now I have another example of libertarianism for my list if I actually need to talk about libertarianism instead of just point and laugh.
JohnBierceYou should check out the book A Libertarian Walks into a Bear for another great example, if you haven’t already!
I haven’t read the book but the article is definitely in the list.
The full book is well worth the read, imho.
Floodplain!
The libertarians do know how to write not that sympathetically. They seem to care more about ‘our equipment!’ than the personal property of people who used to live there (While funny here, it still sucks ass the cops wrecked so much shit, I know they pull (in various countries) the same shit with unhoused people). Wonder how this will radicalize more libertarians further right.
I submitted this link too but removed it as a duplicate, and it’s really a category error from the Liberland people. They are writing from their perspective - they are a sovereign state with citizens, and the raid by Croatian authorities is a literal invasion. However, from the point of view of Croatia, international law, and everyone normal, they are squatters who are illegally constructing buildings on land controlled by Croatia.
A lot of the HN commentators sympathetic to Liberland would have a fit if a group of Mexicans set up an enclave in Texas and started constructing buildings. These hypothetical Mexicans might have their own spin on the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which they spun out of reading too much Wikipedia, and their claims are just as valid as Liberland’s.
There are a lot of neocolonial echos in the Liberland post too:
Liberland has the ability to bring significant investment, jobs and tourism to this economically depressed region.
Yeah sure, you can do a lot within the framework of existing Croatian law to bring investment, there’s no need to set up a LARP country on a floodplain to do so.
Isn’t it also not just a floodplain but also a highly contested border area which their intrusion has made even more complex and annoying. They are lucky Serbia isn’t also walking over the river to mess with their stuff.
(And also yeah lol them building that on a floodplain. [laughs in dutch])
To be honest, I think it would be hilarious if Texas were annexed by Mexico, even just a little bit. Texans deserve a competent government who will invest in them and conduct reasonable diplomacy, and they’re not getting that from Texas.
You seem to have conflated libertarianism with some other philosophy like the Ayn Rand stuff
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bitofhopeMaybe this person is a time traveler from a century ago when libertarianism mainly meant anarchism and similar decentralist leftist ideologies.
Also there’s this obsession with ‘experimenting with government’ as though they aren’t always trying the exact same thing over and over again.
Also there’s this obsession with calling this folly ‘experimenting with government’ as though they aren’t always trying the exact same thing over and over again.
Just being diligent about replication
There is something about the Balkans and libertarians – maybe it’s just that new governments are being formed so it’s a way in? Or just Russian proxy tankie shit?
When I was younger and dumber I was a card-carrying Libertarian. The last straw that made me quit my membership was their exuberance over being chosen to help form a government for Republika Srpska, a new political entity in the former Yugoslavia founded and run by Serbian war criminals. I can’t find anything online, but I vividly remember the LP paper mailers that I used to get with all kinds of libertarian plans to help craft the new government there in the early 90s. The retirement plan was going to be like the Chicago Boys’ Chile, and other such things. I figured if they were going to work with war criminals, maybe this thing wasn’t so great.
Mike Knell@carlitoscohones Republika Srpska is now the ethnic Serbian part of Bosnia-Herzegovina, most famous for giving the world the term “ethnic cleansing”. Interesting to hear that it was only enlightened self-interest rather than genocide.
At least it wasn’t bears!